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Old 08-06-2005, 07:03 PM   #1
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I checked Wikipedia for Sauron & here's what they said about him:

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but in secret Sauron forged the One Ring in Mount Doom to rule the Elvish rings, investing most of his own power into the Ring as he forged it. By doing so, he became more powerful than his master Morgoth at the end of the First Age, whose fëa ("soul" or "spirit"), while stronger, was dispersed into the matter of Arda. When Sauron put on the One Ring and tried to dominate the Elves, they resisted, and Sauron came upon them in the War of the Elves and Sauron and, had it not been for the intervention of Númenor, might have defeated them
So he became mightier than Morgoth when he wore the One Ring right?
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Old 08-06-2005, 08:36 PM   #2
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maybe the crown was too heavy for beren? maybe he was too fascinated by the silmarils, therefore only extracting them? or maybe, no one will know...

hmm...elves were just like humans; how do you get the magical stuff in there(about finarfin??)
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:07 PM   #3
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hmm...elves were just like humans; how do you get the magical stuff in there(about finarfin??)
I suppose what seemed like an ordinary cosmetics routine to the elves must've seemed like magic to Beren and other mortals. This reminds me of a Star Trek episode, in which a primitive species spots the Enterprise and considers its technology to be magic and ends up worshipping Picard. (wierd analogy, I know) Anyways, substitute Felegund and his make-up skill for Picard and his futuristic technology and the primitive species for Mortals and you can see what I mean.

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#4 Will the Doom of Mandos (fading) apply to Thranduil & his subjects?
Thranduil and his subjects are Moriquendi, so no.

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#5 In your personal opinion, do you think the Elves who remained in Valinor during the turmoils of Morgoth & Sauron in ME became mightier than those who lingered & endured their malice?
Interesting question. I think that the Elves in Middle-earth would've stood up better in the face of evil than elves from Valinor, who for so long knew no evil or suffering.
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:11 PM   #4
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I have read a book like that before. It had several different things from the future and they were refered to as magic from the more primitive people's point of veiw. Interesting concept really.
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Old 08-08-2005, 04:05 AM   #5
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# How was Glorfindel able to slay a Balrog (Maia) & Finrod can't even scratch Sauron?
Because
* Sauron was more powerful than the balrog
* Glorfindel was in better condition in the battle than Finrod, who had laid in a prison for days, when he met his enemy
* Glorfindel got help from Thorondor and he would have lost without the help of the eagle
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Old 08-08-2005, 04:09 AM   #6
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#5 In your personal opinion, do you think the Elves who remained in Valinor during the turmoils of Morgoth & Sauron in ME became mightier than those who lingered & endured their malice?
Maybe they were mightier in other matters and less mighty on other matters? F.g. they would have more "light of Aman" in them, but they wouldn't be so physically hardened or so good stalkers. I think it may work like evolution; they get better in things they need in their every day life and poorer in things they don't use. And th light of Aman probably fades in the ME elves.
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Old 08-08-2005, 03:44 PM   #7
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Maybe they were mightier in other matters and less mighty on other matters? F.g. they would have more "light of Aman" in them, but they wouldn't be so physically hardened or so good stalkers. I think it may work like evolution; they get better in things they need in their every day life and poorer in things they don't use. And th light of Aman probably fades in the ME elves.
there was no longer this "light" in Aman. It disappeared when the two Trees perished.
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Old 08-06-2005, 08:51 PM   #8
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So he became mightier than Morgoth when he wore the One Ring right?
Morgoth at the end of the First Age, yes.

As I said, I think it likely that Sauron- wearing the Ring- COULD have asserted control over the Balrog, but I don't KNOW that. After all, the Balrogs were under Morgoth's control from the very beginning, and the reason that Morgoth was so weakened by the late First Age was the dissemination of his power throughout the physical matter of Arda. Perhaps some of that power was imbued into the Balrogs- binding them to his will?

Anyway, that's all speculation on my part, and not speculation to which I am greatly attached, either.
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