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Lhunardawen · 07-30-2005, 10:20 AM

You ended the rambling, tgwbs, but you did not even start it!

the guy who be short · 08-02-2005, 02:45 PM

Pretty much all I say is rambling.

Nilpaurion Felagund and vanwalossiel are the newest pair, by the way. Fourteen of us now...

What do people think about the competition judging? I thought that maybe we should make it a little more democratic, now that there are a larger number of us. Perhaps each Student should have one vote for a poem, and the poet with most votes wins? I think that would be a little better, maybe, and the winner of the last competition merely counts up the votes and does official, boring stuff like that?

Durelin · 08-04-2005, 05:33 PM

Just about done with Lesson Three. w00t. Took us several days to get started (and we have yet to do any *learning* today), but I've even been taking notes!

That's more than I do in any of my classes at school...and more than CaptainofDespair will ever do.

Wordlists are useful...of course I've started my own wordlist in my boredom and innocent enthusiasm.

And, democracy sounds good, even with its flaws. As does October.

Rambling is simply a lesser form of ranting, and is a constituent of it. Ranting is a more direct form of rambling, but can easily still be as lengthy and, though it is painful to say, can be as boring.

Note: Ranting can also be disjointed to add to its poignancy...

EDIT: We have cookies?!

CaptainofDespair · 08-05-2005, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durelin

Just about done with Lesson Three. w00t. Took us several days to get started (and we have yet to do any *learning* today), but I've even been taking notes!

That's more than I do in any of my classes at school...and more than CaptainofDespair will ever do.

Wait...are you implying I've taken notes? How dare you!

Yesh, yesh...we have to do learning today. I suppose tonight on the phone, after my mid-evening nap.

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 08-05-2005, 11:42 AM

This is for those who have reached lesson 4, well, and everyone who intend to reach lesson 4.

The grammar instructions aren't absolute concerning the use of is/are and if I understood correctly, we can choose wether to use the English word order or to place the verb is/are to the end of a sentence. For example, we can say "the book is red" in two different ways and both of them are equally fine.

1) I parma ná carnë = The book is red
2) I parma carnë ná = The book red is

Ardalambion says that it's just a matter of taste where to place the verb. So, which word order do you prefer?

There's also a possibility to leave the copula (is/are) right out and just say "I parma carnë" meaning "The book [is] red". Again, which way do you use?

I for one think that it's easier to understand Quenya when you use the copula so you don't have to bother your brain too much thinking wether an adjective is being an attribute or a predicative. The English word order is undoubtedly quite natural for many of us. However, I think "I parma carnë ná" sounds more poetic than "I parma ná carnë". What do you think?

07-30-2005, 10:20 AM	#1
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	Totally, totally off-topic. You ended the rambling, tgwbs, but you did not even start it!

08-04-2005, 05:33 PM	#3
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Just about done with Lesson Three. w00t. Took us several days to get started (and we have yet to do any learning today), but I've even been taking notes! That's more than I do in any of my classes at school...and more than CaptainofDespair will ever do. Wordlists are useful...of course I've started my own wordlist in my boredom and innocent enthusiasm. And, democracy sounds good, even with its flaws. As does October. Rambling is simply a lesser form of ranting, and is a constituent of it. Ranting is a more direct form of rambling, but can easily still be as lengthy and, though it is painful to say, can be as boring. Note: Ranting can also be disjointed to add to its poignancy... EDIT: We have cookies?! Last edited by Durelin; 08-04-2005 at 05:48 PM.

08-05-2005, 11:42 AM	#5
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	This is for those who have reached lesson 4, well, and everyone who intend to reach lesson 4. The grammar instructions aren't absolute concerning the use of is/are and if I understood correctly, we can choose wether to use the English word order or to place the verb is/are to the end of a sentence. For example, we can say "the book is red" in two different ways and both of them are equally fine. 1) I parma ná carnë = The book is red 2) I parma carnë ná = The book red is Ardalambion says that it's just a matter of taste where to place the verb. So, which word order do you prefer? There's also a possibility to leave the copula (is/are) right out and just say "I parma carnë" meaning "The book [is] red". Again, which way do you use? I for one think that it's easier to understand Quenya when you use the copula so you don't have to bother your brain too much thinking wether an adjective is being an attribute or a predicative. The English word order is undoubtedly quite natural for many of us. However, I think "I parma carnë ná" sounds more poetic than "I parma ná carnë". What do you think? __________________ Fenris Wolf

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08-02-2005, 02:45 PM	#2
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Pretty much all I say is rambling. Nilpaurion Felagund and vanwalossiel are the newest pair, by the way. Fourteen of us now... What do people think about the competition judging? I thought that maybe we should make it a little more democratic, now that there are a larger number of us. Perhaps each Student should have one vote for a poem, and the poet with most votes wins? I think that would be a little better, maybe, and the winner of the last competition merely counts up the votes and does official, boring stuff like that?