The Fairest Kingdom/Realm in Middle-Earth

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Gorthaur the Cruel

Well I've noticed some people here choosing Mordor but I was implying of elvish kingdoms since Mordor doesn't really have any "fair" qualities at all. So please exclude Mordor or Angband.

I rather THOUGHT that was what you were intending, but the criteria you were offering leads me to think that you have a rather different idea of "fairness" than I do. Mechanisation and efficiency against one's enemies? Mechanization, as the Shire demonstrates, really wasn't one of Tolkien's conception of "fairness", and efficiency against one's enemies smacks of Stalinism or Hitlerism to me...

Now that you have clarified what you want, I must ask: do you think that human realms cannot match Elven ones? Because in the above quote you have limited it to the Elvish kingdoms?

Furthermore, I should think it quite plain that Valinor is the fairest of realms...

Or did you mean to say in Middle-Earth?

~The Devil's Advocate-

Formendacil~

[Mithalwen]

Somehow - Valinor always seems so bright - and if nothing dies then there is no autumn or winter and they have their beauty too...... so I would not choose Valinor....

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

I rather THOUGHT that was what you were intending, but the criteria you were offering leads me to think that you have a rather different idea of "fairness" than I do. Mechanisation and efficiency against one's enemies? Mechanization, as the Shire demonstrates, really wasn't one of Tolkien's conception of "fairness", and efficiency against one's enemies smacks of Stalinism or Hitlerism to me...

I'm confused by what you're saying. I was asking for a place that fit all criterias above. Such as Gondolin for example. It's efficient against its enemies because it was hidden & protected by the eagles but it was also fair to look upon. I hope that clears it up.

Now that you have clarified what you want, I must ask: do you think that human realms cannot match Elven ones? Because in the above quote you have limited it to the Elvish kingdoms?

Furthermore, I should think it quite plain that Valinor is the fairest of realms...

Or did you mean to say in Middle-Earth?

~The Devil's Advocate-

Formendacil~

It would be unfair to include Valinor since it has an unfair advantage. I'd say only kingdoms east of the sea. I believe mortal realms are to be included but they're in a different league on their own since their inhabitants die & decay is the norm for them. Perhaps leaning more towards the elvish kingdoms.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

It's a misleading title in that case. Rosie Cotton was mighty fair but her defences weren't much (or so I've heard ). Leastways she couldn't resist a fierce attack.

[Formendacil]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

It's a misleading title in that case. Rosie Cotton was mighty fair but her defences weren't much (or so I've heard ). Leastways she couldn't resist a fierce attack.

Yes, but is she a kingdom or a realm?

I'm confused by what you're saying. I was asking for a place that fit all criterias above. Such as Gondolin for example. It's efficient against its enemies because it was hidden & protected by the eagles but it was also fair to look upon. I hope that clears it up.

I'm saying that I don't think that mechanics or defences (or indeed, attacks) are any indicator of "fairness". To be fair denotes a suggestion of beauty and gracefulness, purely a matter of looks and feel- nothing to do with mechanisms or warfare. For example, if I (a Hobbit) built a beautiful tower over my hill, and made it as fair to look upon as I possibly could, would it not be more fair than the far more efficient, mechanised, laser-guarded tower down the road run by Mordor Inc?

[Boromir88]

I would have loved to seen Minas Tirith with it's streets paved of marble and the gates lined with Mithril after the War of the Ring, would have been an awe to see. Ithilien would become a wonderful place as well, but I don't think it would contend with Lothlorien in it's glory when Galadriel was still around and the power of Nenya.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I would have loved to seen Minas Tirith with it's streets paved of marble and the gates lined with Mithril after the War of the Ring, would have been an awe to see. Ithilien would become a wonderful place as well, but I don't think it would contend with Lothlorien in it's glory when Galadriel was still around and the power of Nenya.

Do you think Lothlorien was fairer than Gondolin & Doriath?

[solarisa]

i guess...lothlorien was the fairest place? it's not as fair as the one in Valinor, but with malorns, and since Galadriel held the realm, it was supposed to be a sort of imitation of the one over the seas. there was no evil there, and time didn't affect it. so i choose lorien.
"...in lorien the ancient things still lived on in the waking world...on the land of lorien no shadows lay."