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The Only Real Estel · 07-26-2005, 10:28 AM

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I must admit that, although I didn't like the fact or the events surrounding it, I found the Hopeless Charge (Faramir to Osgiliath) to be a very sentimental scene. Especially with Pippin's little "All Shall Fade" number.

I like that part also (strategy notwithstanding

). It's not really Osgiliath in general that I thought was bad, just most of the Osgiliath screen time in TTT (hence this thread

).

Dimturiel · 07-26-2005, 11:23 AM

I think that Tolkien would have liked the Hopeless Charge from ROTK including Pippin's song. It somehow fits with the atmosphere of Middle Earth. But he would have surely hated to see Frodo and Sam in Osgiliath in [B]TTT[/B. Sam says in the movie that by rights they should not even be there and he is more than right. They should not be in Osgiliath, they should be on their way to Mordor!

Cailín · 07-26-2005, 12:29 PM

I completely agree with the Osgiliath scene in the Two Towers being unnecessary. It was not very interesting, not very convincing and not even very sensational after the impressive scenes of the battle of Helm's Deep.

Though the extended version made it all somewhat better, I was disappointed in PJ's portrayal of Faramir. I also don't agree that it made the Ring look more powerful and harder to resist, for it is easier to believe someone turning away from it directly than someone who had already a mind to take it and then eventually decide against it. It is rather like smoking (though, naturally, the Ring was a bit more powerful - and arguably more lethal - than a cigarette): it's easier to turn away from it all together than to give up once you've decided to start.

I do think the flashback scene would have been a great idea. In general, I'd say that Faramir's so-called character arch annoyed me most in all the Lord of the Rings movies.

07-26-2005, 11:23 AM	#2
Dimturiel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2005 Location: the road less travelled by Posts: 910	I think that Tolkien would have liked the Hopeless Charge from ROTK including Pippin's song. It somehow fits with the atmosphere of Middle Earth. But he would have surely hated to see Frodo and Sam in Osgiliath in [B]TTT[/B. Sam says in the movie that by rights they should not even be there and he is more than right. They should not be in Osgiliath, they should be on their way to Mordor! __________________ Is this the end? No more the hunt, the journey and the goal? That terrifies me most: no more the goal! -Ray Bradbury, Leviathan '99

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07-26-2005, 12:29 PM	#3
Cailín Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lurking in the shadows. Posts: 711	I completely agree with the Osgiliath scene in the Two Towers being unnecessary. It was not very interesting, not very convincing and not even very sensational after the impressive scenes of the battle of Helm's Deep. Though the extended version made it all somewhat better, I was disappointed in PJ's portrayal of Faramir. I also don't agree that it made the Ring look more powerful and harder to resist, for it is easier to believe someone turning away from it directly than someone who had already a mind to take it and then eventually decide against it. It is rather like smoking (though, naturally, the Ring was a bit more powerful - and arguably more lethal - than a cigarette): it's easier to turn away from it all together than to give up once you've decided to start. I do think the flashback scene would have been a great idea. In general, I'd say that Faramir's so-called character arch annoyed me most in all the Lord of the Rings movies.