Who's your favourite hobbit...

[mormegil]

That ninnyheimer wouldn't have made it anywhere without the aid of Gandalf whereas Sam the Beloved was the aid to Frodo, who wouldn't have made it as far as he did without him.

[Lalwendë]

Bah! Nobody would have made it anywhere anyway without Bilbo's actions in sneaking the preciousss out from under the Misty Mountains.

[the guy who be short]

It appears there is much resentment at the truth about Samwise emerging, but I'm afraid that, as long as it is possible to do so, it is my duty to enlighten you misguided followers of the "nasssty hobbit," as one famous opponent once called him.

Now, almost everything Sam did after his return to the Shire was to score political points.

And as for having thirteen children...that was just as much Rosie's choice as Sam's. A woman doesn't go off and have more than a dozen kids just so that her husband can be in the spotlight.

It is a well known fact that, if a man (or hobbit) has children, they are seen as approachable and more likely to be voted for. Now, here's the shocker - Sam planned his children around the political calender to make people more likely to vote for him!

Ludricous? Let us consider the timeline and Master Gamgee's family tree.

1427 - Merry, Sam's son, is born. Conveniently, Sam is elected for the first time soon after on the same year.

1433 - Sam's daughter Primrose born late in the year. Sam re-elected early 1434.

1440 - Sam's daughter Robin born in the ending months. Sam re-elected in the following months next year.

1448 - It is not known, but highly suspected amongst scholars, that Sam forced his daughter Elanor to have a baby in this year, giving him the status of Grandfather. He is re-elected.

1454 - Elanor again forced to have a child, Elfstan. Sam elected following year.

1462 - Sam's son, Frodo, forced to have a child (Holfast) this year. Sam re-elected same year.

1469 - Some other child of Sam's is presumably forced to reproduce this year, resulting in his re-election.


As you can see, each election campaign conveniently had some spawn of Sam's for him to fawn over in front of crowds, pulling in the voters. Carefully choreographed, we can only assume that his offspring rebelled against him during his later years, forcing him across the Sea.

Now, it is late, and further attacks on Mister Samwise and defences of Saint Bilbo can wait for the morrow.

[Folwren]

Originally posted by TGWBS:
It is a well known fact that, if a man (or hobbit) has children, they are seen as approachable and more likely to be voted for. Now, here's the shocker - Sam planned his children around the political calender to make people more likely to vote for him!

What polotics were you ever in to know something like that? Sneak.

But, have to say, on account of the lack of birth control that they had, it's impossible for Sam to have planned his children around the politicial calender.

Ludricous? Let us consider the timeline and Master Gamgee's family tree.

1427 - Merry, Sam's son, is born. Conveniently, Sam is elected for the first time soon after on the same year.

1433 - Sam's daughter Primrose born late in the year. Sam re-elected early 1434.

1440 - Sam's daughter Robin born in the ending months. Sam re-elected in the following months next year.

1448 - It is not known, but highly suspected amongst scholars, that Sam forced his daughter Elanor to have a baby in this year, giving him the status of Grandfather. He is re-elected.

1454 - Elanor again forced to have a child, Elfstan. Sam elected following year.

1462 - Sam's son, Frodo, forced to have a child (Holfast) this year. Sam re-elected same year.

1469 - Some other child of Sam's is presumably forced to reproduce this year, resulting in his re-election.


As you can see, each election campaign conveniently had some spawn of Sam's for him to fawn over in front of crowds, pulling in the voters. Carefully choreographed, we can only assume that his offspring rebelled against him during his later years, forcing him across the Sea.

You moron! You don't 'carefully choreograph' seven births! That is absolutely rediculous! Besides that, I don't even know where you got those birth dates...they're not in MY appendixes...unless I've really missed something.

TGWBS, I have to say that your debating skills are lacking. Either find new evidence against Sam or just give up! These arguments just aren't cutting it.

[Kath]

Ah but Folwren the dates TGWBS has come up with are in fact correct! I just checked the appendices (B and C) and all the dates are in there.

on account of the lack of birth control that they had, it's impossible for Sam to have planned his children around the politicial calender.

Untrue, it would actually make it easier. Just make sure there are no marital relations going on until you want a child to be created and tada! (Well hopefully if everything is working properly ). And once Sam and Rosie got a bit older and couldn't do this anymore that's why their children came in handy. Everyone knows smarmy politicians simpering over babies is a major crowd-puller, at least to those members of the crowd that are senile.

And to continue bashing Sam how come he got to go over the sea anyway? He had the Ring for an incredibly short time and yet still he is somehow granted this blessing, when Merry and Pippin just die! So they never held the Ring, Merry helped kill the Witchking!

[the phantom]

the phantom voted for Bilbo. Why are people still debating?

[Kath]

Because the phantom is supposed to be on holiday until July 30th and so until this date has arrived all comments from him will be duly ignored.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by the phantom

the phantom voted for Bilbo. Why are people still debating?

All the more reason to not vote Bilbo!