The PJ Appreciation Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elendhel · 07-15-2005, 06:43 PM

The amount of work PJ put into the three films, and the sheer commitment involved is admirable. He did an excellent job of creating a fantastic movie experience. It was risky and he could have upset so many fans, but he pulled it off in spectacular fashion.

I feel he deviated from the source material only as much as he had to, to create something that appealed to ordinary movie-goers. And he came up with something that no only pleases the fans, but delights this particular fan.

They are without doubt, fantastic films. PJ deserves a hell of a lot of credit for them. I could sing his praises until the cows came home for giving me a cinematic experience I'll never forget.

Ar-Pharazon · 07-22-2005, 12:49 AM

To Tolkien the Lord of the Rings was not fit for dramatization, there was just too much there to be put in a movie or even a trilogy. Many people believed that since the books have been around for half a century before someone took a strong stab at it.

PJ thought otherwise and after 8 years and $300,000,000 dollars he came up with his film adaptation. Even then it was not as good as the books, it opened up Middle Earth to people like me who are more atuned to visual stimuli then narrative. It made a fan out of me.

We gripe about details, and missing characters, and plot rearrangments, and missing chapters, but in the end we generally agree that this was the closest anyone has gotten. I feel sorry for the poor person that tries to do this again in like 30 years and top it.

Excerpt from ROTK-EE
"We now have two paths into middle earth. One way as written by Tolkien, and one way as written by Tolkien and interpetted by Jackson."

Dimturiel · 07-22-2005, 12:07 PM

The films indeed are great and when I watch them I cannot help but feel admiration towards those that made them, and thank them because they deserve thanks.There are a lot of scenes that still move me deeply, such as the ride of the Rohirrim, wHich is my favourite. But exactly those scenes make me sure that they could have done much better if they had not changed so many things for the sake of viewers that can never understand whatLOTR really means. Although now I forgive many of these things, there are some that I cannot. For example the scene where Aragorn attaks the Mouth of Sauron. My respect for Aragorn-wich, I must admit, is very deep-does not alow me to forgive it. I think that, indeed, LOTR was a good movie, and that no Tolkien fan cannot help feeling proud of it for the tiumphs that it had, but neither can he overlook the things that have been so badly altered.

Bêthberry · 07-22-2005, 02:08 PM

I really cannot imagine how else one would get a LotR bookmark with a Ring--everyone wants to be a Ringbearer!--mugs with various mugs on them, or be able to order Moriaburgers or Orcs-in-a-blanket.

Durelin · 07-22-2005, 04:24 PM

Yep, PJ deserves a cookie.

I will thank him eternally simply for not making Arwen a member of the Fellowship.

And it's always wonderful to see things on film (as long as the film is well done, which I think we could easily say LotR was), particularly for people like me, who, though we can envision things, aren't the most visual people. Especially when it comes to geography....

Orofaniel · 07-22-2005, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durelin

Yep, PJ deserves a cookie.

More than a cookie, if you ask me....An Oero....

And perhaps a banansplit too. Yeah, sounds more like it.

Elladan and Elrohir · 07-24-2005, 09:44 PM

The more I understand about what works in movies and what doesn't (and I am an almost complete novice), the more I appreciate Peter Jackson's LOTR phenomenon.

In fact, although I still don't like it, I am beginning to understand why Faramir was weakened, why Frodo told Sam to go home, why the Scouring of the Shire wasn't included, why Tom Bombadil got left out. OK, I guess I already knew that last one. No offense, Bombadil fans...

No, these movies were not perfect. Yes, they changed the books. Yes, they had events and even characters in them that are not kosher Tolkien, so to speak. The whole sequence of events at the Entmoot still drives me nuts, as do Aragorn's falling-off-the-cliff adventures, etc. But these were three incredible movies, three of THE best movies in the last few years, if not the best.

Hats off to Peter Jackson! Sir, you have created three films of huge depth and beauty, and throughout you have remained faithful to the spirit, if not always the letter, of J.R.R. Tolkien's classic! He might not thank you for your work, but I do. For heaven's sakes, yes, make The Hobbit!

P.S. I'm still mad over the "He's twitching..." line!

07-15-2005, 06:43 PM	#1
Elendhel Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 19	The amount of work PJ put into the three films, and the sheer commitment involved is admirable. He did an excellent job of creating a fantastic movie experience. It was risky and he could have upset so many fans, but he pulled it off in spectacular fashion. I feel he deviated from the source material only as much as he had to, to create something that appealed to ordinary movie-goers. And he came up with something that no only pleases the fans, but delights this particular fan. They are without doubt, fantastic films. PJ deserves a hell of a lot of credit for them. I could sing his praises until the cows came home for giving me a cinematic experience I'll never forget. __________________ The Realm Of Elendhel My LOTR Myspace

07-22-2005, 12:49 AM	#2
Ar-Pharazon Pile O'Bones Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 15	To Tolkien the Lord of the Rings was not fit for dramatization, there was just too much there to be put in a movie or even a trilogy. Many people believed that since the books have been around for half a century before someone took a strong stab at it. PJ thought otherwise and after 8 years and $300,000,000 dollars he came up with his film adaptation. Even then it was not as good as the books, it opened up Middle Earth to people like me who are more atuned to visual stimuli then narrative. It made a fan out of me. We gripe about details, and missing characters, and plot rearrangments, and missing chapters, but in the end we generally agree that this was the closest anyone has gotten. I feel sorry for the poor person that tries to do this again in like 30 years and top it. Excerpt from ROTK-EE "We now have two paths into middle earth. One way as written by Tolkien, and one way as written by Tolkien and interpetted by Jackson." __________________ Do I seem fair but feel foul or do I seem foul but feel fair? Ah the questions of life.

07-22-2005, 12:07 PM	#3
Dimturiel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2005 Location: the road less travelled by Posts: 910	The films indeed are great and when I watch them I cannot help but feel admiration towards those that made them, and thank them because they deserve thanks.There are a lot of scenes that still move me deeply, such as the ride of the Rohirrim, wHich is my favourite. But exactly those scenes make me sure that they could have done much better if they had not changed so many things for the sake of viewers that can never understand whatLOTR really means. Although now I forgive many of these things, there are some that I cannot. For example the scene where Aragorn attaks the Mouth of Sauron. My respect for Aragorn-wich, I must admit, is very deep-does not alow me to forgive it. I think that, indeed, LOTR was a good movie, and that no Tolkien fan cannot help feeling proud of it for the tiumphs that it had, but neither can he overlook the things that have been so badly altered. __________________ Is this the end? No more the hunt, the journey and the goal? That terrifies me most: no more the goal! -Ray Bradbury, Leviathan '99

07-24-2005, 09:44 PM	#7
Elladan and Elrohir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Halls of Mandos Posts: 332	The more I understand about what works in movies and what doesn't (and I am an almost complete novice), the more I appreciate Peter Jackson's LOTR phenomenon. In fact, although I still don't like it, I am beginning to understand why Faramir was weakened, why Frodo told Sam to go home, why the Scouring of the Shire wasn't included, why Tom Bombadil got left out. OK, I guess I already knew that last one. No offense, Bombadil fans... No, these movies were not perfect. Yes, they changed the books. Yes, they had events and even characters in them that are not kosher Tolkien, so to speak. The whole sequence of events at the Entmoot still drives me nuts, as do Aragorn's falling-off-the-cliff adventures, etc. But these were three incredible movies, three of THE best movies in the last few years, if not the best. Hats off to Peter Jackson! Sir, you have created three films of huge depth and beauty, and throughout you have remained faithful to the spirit, if not always the letter, of J.R.R. Tolkien's classic! He might not thank you for your work, but I do. For heaven's sakes, yes, make The Hobbit! P.S. I'm still mad over the "He's twitching..." line! __________________ "If you're referring to the incident with the dragon, I was barely involved. All I did was give your uncle a little nudge out of the door." THE HOBBIT - IT'S COMING

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07-22-2005, 02:08 PM	#4
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 6,003	I really cannot imagine how else one would get a LotR bookmark with a Ring--everyone wants to be a Ringbearer!--mugs with various mugs on them, or be able to order Moriaburgers or Orcs-in-a-blanket.

07-22-2005, 04:24 PM	#5
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	Yep, PJ deserves a cookie. I will thank him eternally simply for not making Arwen a member of the Fellowship. And it's always wonderful to see things on film (as long as the film is well done, which I think we could easily say LotR was), particularly for people like me, who, though we can envision things, aren't the most visual people. Especially when it comes to geography....