The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum


Visit The *EVEN NEWER* Barrow-Downs Photo Page

Go Back   The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum > Middle-Earth Discussions > Novices and Newcomers
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-09-2005, 02:29 AM   #1
dancing spawn of ungoliant
Mischievous Candle
 
dancing spawn of ungoliant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam.
Posts: 1,234
dancing spawn of ungoliant has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via MSN to dancing spawn of ungoliant
I used to like this track a lot but now I've grown weary of it. It suits the film well but as a song out of its context I find it rather dull. Isabel Bayrakdarian has an appropriate eerie voice, though.
Quote:
And as a flautist, I of course love the flute solo.
I like the flute solo, too, though it's really the strings I like the most
Quote:
low tones on a flute are awesome.
Can't argue with that!

I think this track contains nice elements but together they form a somewhat conventional or even boring whole. Maybe it's because most of the score has exciting dissonances and exotic instruments while this piece just repeats the same basic chords with regular orchesral instruments the whole time. I admit that not every single song can have something new and amazing in it but it was a little disappointment to me that I got tired to it so soon.
Quote:
I'm now teaching myself how to play it on the piano. (It is an easy song though)
I've played it on the piano as well.
__________________
Fenris Wolf
dancing spawn of ungoliant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2005, 04:54 PM   #2
Encaitare
Bittersweet Symphony
 
Encaitare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise
Posts: 1,814
Encaitare is a guest of Tom Bombadil.
Track 9: the White Rider

ungoliant -- True, "Evenstar" lacks the complexity of the rest of the score. Still, I think the simplicity of it is very pretty and pleasing to the ear. Perhaps we could see it as the simple yet deep certainty of Arwen's love?

New track: the White Rider.

The beginning of the track sounds very dark, especially with the effect of the choir. This is the part when Gandalf is trying to "exorcise" Saruman's power from Theoden. The pounding drums in the background remind me of the Isengard theme, which is fitting.

The music in this track skips around, I suppose so it flows nicely. Still, it's kind of confusing. The next section is when Gandalf explains his new title to Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli. The rising and faling of the lower strings makes me think of Rivendell -- the Fellowship is partly reunited. A slight tension seems to mount, but is relieved at 1:02. The music here grows very beautiful -- simple choir with some instrumental background accompaniment.

Around 2:00, the music changes again as the four ride off to Edoras, on a mission.

There are many different styles and sections in this track -- which do you like best?

Last edited by Encaitare; 06-10-2005 at 10:38 PM.
Encaitare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2005, 01:59 PM   #3
Lathriel
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Lathriel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME)
Posts: 612
Lathriel has just left Hobbiton.
At first I didn't like the intro of this track at all. Now I do like it though. But I like the middle of the song best.
I really like the choir but I don't know the lyrics. Do you Encaitare?
__________________
Back again
Lathriel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2005, 08:23 PM   #4
Encaitare
Bittersweet Symphony
 
Encaitare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise
Posts: 1,814
Encaitare is a guest of Tom Bombadil.
It's in Old English...

Quote:
Lim-strang wæs geboren [0.12]
Bearn léod-cyninga [0.24]
Magorinc Mearces. [0.37]
Bunden in byrde tó laedenne
Bunden in lufe tó ðegnunge
Lang beadugear cýðað
Lic onginneð búgan.
Swift déadlic géar Stieppað geond willan.
Ac éagan gíet lóciað Beorhtre gesihðe;
Heorte gíet béateð.


'Strong-limbed he was born
This son of Kings;
This warrior of Rohan.
Bound by birth to lead.
Bound by love to serve.
Long years of war begin to show.
The body has begun to bend.
Swift mortal years outpace the will.
But the eyes still watch clear-sighted.
The great heart is beating still.'
Wow... Old English is pretty cool. I love how you can see the basis of modern words in the old ones.
Encaitare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2005, 05:33 PM   #5
Lathriel
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Lathriel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME)
Posts: 612
Lathriel has just left Hobbiton.
When I see old english I always try to find words that we use today which are very similar to the words they used then.

E.G the word geboren is the dutch word for born. Bugan seems very close to begun. It is just so neat.
__________________
Back again
Lathriel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2005, 01:21 AM   #6
dancing spawn of ungoliant
Mischievous Candle
 
dancing spawn of ungoliant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam.
Posts: 1,234
dancing spawn of ungoliant has just left Hobbiton.
Send a message via MSN to dancing spawn of ungoliant
I like the very beginning of the track the most. The choir, the brass and the drums are growing the tension towards a climax and then - a sudden silence. Plus, the first note of this piece, the long low e, is beautifully played by the cellos(?). I think this particular exctract sounds somehow better just as music without the film stealing all attention.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Enca
The music in this track skips around, I suppose so it flows nicely. Still, it's kind of confusing.
Yes, it's interesting that they have mixed the order of the themes. The result suonds really nice to me, though.
__________________
Fenris Wolf
dancing spawn of ungoliant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2005, 04:15 PM   #7
Lathriel
Ghost Prince of Cardolan
 
Lathriel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME)
Posts: 612
Lathriel has just left Hobbiton.
I really like the harmonies in this song. In general I think one of Howards Shore's strongest pieces are the ones with a choir, or another vocal part.
__________________
Back again
Lathriel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:26 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.