Accepting changes that were made - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lathriel · 03-22-2005, 05:57 PM

One thing the changes in the movies made me do was go back to the books and read them more carefully. This way I would always think of the ideas the filmakers got and where they got them from. For example if you try and pay attention to Gimli you can see why they decided to make him represent the comic relief. If you look for it there are times in the book when Gimli does get close to a comic remark or he says something that could be turned into something funny.

Boromir88 · 03-23-2005, 10:04 AM

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I now see him as an even more petulant, aggresive, arrogant and childish figure. You may think this is extreme, but to me I really get this view of Boromir when I read the books now.

I don't find it extreme at all, I can see exactly what you mean. Boromir also uses negative satire at times and being sarcastic when he shouldn't, making him look childish. Indeed, I even sympathize more for Denethor than some others, it's certainly easier to hate the man than to like him. (I've always been a softie for these types of characters, that have just been befallen with tragedy).

There were definately problems with Boromir, or there would be no need for his repentance in his final hours. I would argue that most of the problems Boromir causes are after Lorien, when his desire for the ring became shown. There were times (Moria and Lorien) where he voiced his opinion about not going there, but he really wasn't a big problem towards the fellowship then. Even other members said they would prefer not to go into the mines, or into Lorien, it was just Boromir who flat out said I'm not going unless you all go. The main problems with Boromir are after Lorien, when it never says but seems pretty clear, Galadriel addressed Boromir's problem to him (the ring), and when all the times he seemed to supress it, it's now on his mind constantly. He starts biting his fingers, muttering, looking at Frodo, and of course the argument he has with Aragorn. I would say these moments are out of his character, and the effect of the Ring was getting to him. Once the ring is literally and figuratively out of his reach, he realized what he had did, and was sorry for it. "What have I done? What have I said? Frodo a madness took me. But it has passed..." "I'm sorry. I have paid."

I do agree that the movies do project Boromir a lot better, and this made me see some things in the book, that I hadn't before, making me respect him more.

Essex · 03-23-2005, 10:28 AM

Boromir,

you make a good point here. Yes, from memory I remember his attitude changing on the trip down the River. I've got yet ANOTHER reason to re read the books with this in mind!

Cheers

Lathriel · 03-27-2005, 12:45 PM

Essex I do the same thing as you do. Besides what better excuse to re-read the book?

As for the beginning of the demise of Boromir, I see it clearly when they climb mount Cahadras. When he picks up the ring I think the process has begun. However, the journey through Moria delays the process because his mind is forced to be busy with other things.
Might I add that the part where Boromor picks uo the ring (whole climbing Cahadras) is an extra scene in the movie and yet I find it one of the most powerful scenes in the fellowship because it doesn't just show Boromir's uncanny interest in the ring;he voices the questions that might be playing around in the viewers minds during the movie.

Snowdog · 04-22-2005, 01:12 PM

Actually, seeing the seeming smugness of the screenwriters (PJ, FW, PB) caused me to further not accept many of the changes, most notably Arwen sneaking up on Aragorn in the wild, elves in Helms Deep, The Denethor flaregun, and the whole 'Sam go home' cr@p. There was no cinematic need for these at all, and could have been handled way closer to the books while keeping with the process of translating a work of literature into film.

mormegil · 04-22-2005, 04:00 PM

This may sound stupid but there are some changes I accept...No Bombadil and scouring of the shire....but others I have a difficult time with...One that is completely needless (again it may sound stupid) is that Merry went with the men of the west to the black gate....AHHHHH!!!!! Why? He didn't at all in the books and there was no good reason for him to go...he should have still been healing.

Lathriel · 04-22-2005, 04:15 PM

That happens to me too. I don't mind the elves coming to helm's deep (In fact I thought that was very cool) but I freaked out when Elrond told Aragorn Arwen was dying and that she was connected to the ring.(Which only takes up one sentence)

03-22-2005, 05:57 PM	#1
Lathriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME) Posts: 612	One thing the changes in the movies made me do was go back to the books and read them more carefully. This way I would always think of the ideas the filmakers got and where they got them from. For example if you try and pay attention to Gimli you can see why they decided to make him represent the comic relief. If you look for it there are times in the book when Gimli does get close to a comic remark or he says something that could be turned into something funny. __________________ Back again

03-27-2005, 12:45 PM	#4
Lathriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME) Posts: 612	Essex I do the same thing as you do. Besides what better excuse to re-read the book? As for the beginning of the demise of Boromir, I see it clearly when they climb mount Cahadras. When he picks up the ring I think the process has begun. However, the journey through Moria delays the process because his mind is forced to be busy with other things. Might I add that the part where Boromor picks uo the ring (whole climbing Cahadras) is an extra scene in the movie and yet I find it one of the most powerful scenes in the fellowship because it doesn't just show Boromir's uncanny interest in the ring;he voices the questions that might be playing around in the viewers minds during the movie. __________________ Back again

04-22-2005, 04:15 PM	#7
Lathriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME) Posts: 612	That happens to me too. I don't mind the elves coming to helm's deep (In fact I thought that was very cool) but I freaked out when Elrond told Aragorn Arwen was dying and that she was connected to the ring.(Which only takes up one sentence) __________________ Back again

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03-23-2005, 10:28 AM	#3
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	Boromir, you make a good point here. Yes, from memory I remember his attitude changing on the trip down the River. I've got yet ANOTHER reason to re read the books with this in mind! Cheers

04-22-2005, 01:12 PM	#5
Snowdog Emperor of the South Pole Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Western Shore of Lake Evendim Posts: 647	Actually, seeing the seeming smugness of the screenwriters (PJ, FW, PB) caused me to further not accept many of the changes, most notably Arwen sneaking up on Aragorn in the wild, elves in Helms Deep, The Denethor flaregun, and the whole 'Sam go home' cr@p. There was no cinematic need for these at all, and could have been handled way closer to the books while keeping with the process of translating a work of literature into film.

04-22-2005, 04:00 PM	#6
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	This may sound stupid but there are some changes I accept...No Bombadil and scouring of the shire....but others I have a difficult time with...One that is completely needless (again it may sound stupid) is that Merry went with the men of the west to the black gate....AHHHHH!!!!! Why? He didn't at all in the books and there was no good reason for him to go...he should have still been healing.