Gandalf Vs. The Witch King - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

narfforc · 02-14-2005, 10:08 AM

St Povis is correct in my view, A maia in any form is stronger than an undead human, even if it is enhanced by one of their own kind. The only enhancement a Nazgul has, is a ring, given by Sauron, Ok The Lord of The Nazgul has a few more tricks up his sleeve, but when all is said and done, his inherent power is that of The Engwar, whilst although subdued Gandalf was an Ainu.

narfforc · 02-17-2005, 05:21 AM

"Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than ANYTHING you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord.

I must say that at this point Gimli wasnt going to The Undying Lands, so Gandalf must have meant ANYTHING in Middle-Earth.

alatar · 02-17-2005, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by narfforc

I must say that at this point Gimli wasnt going to The Undying Lands, so Gandalf must have meant ANYTHING in Middle-Earth.

I assume that the counterargument will be that though Gandalf may be one shade less dangerous than Sauron, this does not mean that he was invincible to all things 'below' him.

Note that a Singing She-Elf and her Ringbearing Boyfriend took down (momentarily) the First among the Valar.

**The Saucepan Man** · 02-17-2005, 11:59 AM

... and a lowly (and wretched) man took out a (fallen) Istar.

narfforc · 02-17-2005, 01:01 PM

To Alatar, yes you could say that, for who or what was invincible in Middle-Earth. Even the mightiest have a weakness.

alatar · 02-17-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by narfforc

To Alatar, yes you could say that, for who or what was invincible in Middle-Earth. Even the mightiest have a weakness.

Agreed. Except for Iluvatar, all had a weak point that could be exploited. If not, would not Valinor be lit by Two Trees?

I used to argue the other side, but now I've jumped ship.

02-17-2005, 05:21 AM	#2
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	From his own mouth. "Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than ANYTHING you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord. I must say that at this point Gimli wasnt going to The Undying Lands, so Gandalf must have meant ANYTHING in Middle-Earth.

02-17-2005, 11:59 AM	#4
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	... and a lowly (and wretched) man took out a (fallen) Istar. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

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02-14-2005, 10:08 AM	#1
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	St Povis is correct in my view, A maia in any form is stronger than an undead human, even if it is enhanced by one of their own kind. The only enhancement a Nazgul has, is a ring, given by Sauron, Ok The Lord of The Nazgul has a few more tricks up his sleeve, but when all is said and done, his inherent power is that of The Engwar, whilst although subdued Gandalf was an Ainu.

02-17-2005, 01:01 PM	#5
narfforc Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Muddy-earth Posts: 1,297	To Alatar, yes you could say that, for who or what was invincible in Middle-Earth. Even the mightiest have a weakness.