Ruin of Doriath - The Shadow falls on Brethil

[Aiwendil]

RD-WH-08

§169 Silence fell. But when Hardang ... as was {Dorlas}[Darlas] his father before him. RD-WH-08 WH, Note 46 [(]And dark tales were whispered concerning {Dorlas}[Darlas] for though naught was known for certain, he was found slain far from the battle with Glaurung, and the reddened sword that lay by him had been the sword of Brandir. [)]

This is not what I understood the note to mean; Christopher says that the sentence was "bracketed", "presumably implying doubt about its inclusion". I do not think that Tolkien's intention was to put it in parentheses, but rather to note that it might be deleted. But since he didn't actually strike it out, I would retain it.

RD-WH-09-13

If we replace every instance of Stone or Standing Stone with Talbor, then we never tell the reader what the Talbor is. Or will we perhaps name it that when it is erected at the end of the Narn?

[Findegil]

RD-WH-08:
I did also understand the doubt about the inclusion of the passage and I agree that since it is not strucout we should retain it. But would I thought that the parenthes were in order to represent some of what underlies. Do you think we should include it with out the parenthes?

RD-WH-09 - RD-WH-13:
Yes, I think that naming the Sstone Talbor when it is erected at the end of the Narn is what is suggested in the notes to WH.

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Findegil

[Maédhros]

I have looked at the changes, and I'm ok with them. I don't see anything out of the ordinary.

[Findegil]

So Of the Ruin of Doriath seems done for the moment. I will produce a text with all the updated changes for the privat forum.
If nobody speaks up against it it will be a single text; not divided in the parts we took for the discussion.

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Findegil

[Maédhros]

I saw our final product Of the Ruin of Doriath and I have to congratulate you Findegil. I only noticed small things like there was no dieresis in Manwe.

Also this:

RD-EX-22<TN Now<editorial brigde when Húrin and his Band had departed from Menegroth> came {Gwenniel}[Melian] to {Tinwelint}[Thingol] and said: ‘Touch not this gold, for my heart tells me it is {trebly} [doubly] cursed. Cursed indeed by the dragon's breath, and cursed by RD-EX-23 {thy lieges' blood that moistens it, and the death of those they slew}; but some more bitter and more binding ill methinks hangs over it that I may not see.’

I think that you may have missed and kept trebly.

[emrys]

I hope the right place to post this comment is here:

RD-WH-01

§ 2 Unhappy was the lot of Húrin. For all that Morgoth knew of the working of his malice Húrin knew also; but lies were mingled with the truth, and aught that was good was hidden or distorted. He that sees through the eyes of Morgoth, willing or unwilling, sees all things crooked.

Before the text you proposed as § 2 I would have retained this part which tell us of the fate of Morwen before the events of her death.

[WotJ pg. 258]

It is said by some that on a time Morwen came in her witless wandering to the graven stone, and knowing that her children were dead, though she understood not in what way their tale had ended, she sat beside the stone awaiting death; and there Húrin found her at last, as is after told. Less happy than hers was the lot of Húrin. For all that Morgoth knew....

[Findegil]

This passages was struck from the typescript and replaced by what we have in our version right now.

Of course we would be able to reuse it for our Version, but I don't see why we should do so. This fortelling distroyes some of the suprise effect of the tale.

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Findegil