Power of Rings - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Osse · 01-29-2005, 06:19 AM

Narya was said to "kindle a flame in the hearts" of people the wearer came in contact with - ie. the wearer became a motivator, a lord of people resources as it were. Cirdan presented to Gandalf the ring, as his foresight saw the need for it in the Maia's future.

This brings up the questions of how strong the power of motivation is, and in what cases Gandalf used the powers - generally over the course of the story of LOTR, but also in select instances - the reawakening of Theoden for instance?

And of course the wearer had a profound ability to harness the forces of fire - seen through the example of Gandalf's fireworks, and his use of fire against the Wargs in both Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit.

tar-ancalime · 01-29-2005, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by Neithan:

(Dwarves being an exeption because they are both mortal and not mortal if you take my meaning).

Actually, I don't. Could you explain this? Thanks.

Neithan · 01-30-2005, 01:58 PM

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Actually, I don't. Could you explain this? Thanks.

Basically what I was saying was that true mortals leave Arda entirely when they die but Dwarves do not. Dwarves stay in the Halls of Mandos until the end of the world. Elves are said to be "immortal" because they come back from the Halls. Men are mortals because they leave from those Halls to go wherever. Dwarves do neither of these things and that is what I was getting at. The fact that they (appearently) are not turned invisable by the Rings is probably due to the manner of their creation (the same reason that their fate is different).

tar-ancalime · 01-30-2005, 04:59 PM

Thanks! I didn't know that.

Nilpaurion Felagund · 01-31-2005, 12:27 AM

The concept of Dwarves being unaffected because of their dissimilar origin and fate got me thinking.

In the Nine Rings, Sauron bounds the Nazgûl's existence on Arda to the One. He was just playing on Morgoth's original plans (making Men fear the outside dark--i.e. beyond the walls of Eä). Of course, considering how he brought about the Downfall of Númenor, he must have been using it for the longest time. But the Nine was the consummation of this plan.

With this said the Nazgûl become more fallen than anything I could comprehend. They must have done evil things, and feared the fate that awaits them when they die. So they allied themselves to Sauron, and they became his greatest servants. They had to protect the One to protect themselves from what they truly fear.

Sorry for disjointed thought--just thinking and typing as I go.

Gorthaur the Cruel · 01-31-2005, 04:45 PM

A question about gandalf's ring:

If Gandalf had fought the Balrog... were not the Balrog able to melt the rings of power like the dragons can? And if indeed the Three enhanced the natural powers of the wearer... why then when Gandalf the white admitted that he was afraid of the Witch King of Angmar? After all, he's been enhanced by cemoning the white plus the powers of Narya.

Neithan · 01-31-2005, 05:43 PM

Are you sure that Ganalf was afraid of the Witch King in the books? I can't remember him saying so, but it has been a little while since I read RotK. Obviously he was afraid of him in the movies but they often stray from the books.
As far as the Balrog goes, I doubt it could destroy the Ring while Gandalf was wearing it without destroying him as well.

01-29-2005, 06:19 AM	#1
Osse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Encircling Sea, deciding which ship to ruin next...could be yours. Posts: 274	Narya was said to "kindle a flame in the hearts" of people the wearer came in contact with - ie. the wearer became a motivator, a lord of people resources as it were. Cirdan presented to Gandalf the ring, as his foresight saw the need for it in the Maia's future. This brings up the questions of how strong the power of motivation is, and in what cases Gandalf used the powers - generally over the course of the story of LOTR, but also in select instances - the reawakening of Theoden for instance? And of course the wearer had a profound ability to harness the forces of fire - seen through the example of Gandalf's fireworks, and his use of fire against the Wargs in both Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. __________________ 'A thinking tyrant, it seemed to Vetinari, had a much harder job than a ruler raised to power by some idiot system like democracy. At least HE could tell the people he was THEIR fault.'

01-30-2005, 04:59 PM	#4
tar-ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: abaft the beam Posts: 303	Thanks! I didn't know that. __________________ Having fun wolfing it to the bitter end, I see, gaur-ancalime (lmp, ww13)

01-31-2005, 12:27 AM	#5
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	The Nine. The concept of Dwarves being unaffected because of their dissimilar origin and fate got me thinking. In the Nine Rings, Sauron bounds the Nazgûl's existence on Arda to the One. He was just playing on Morgoth's original plans (making Men fear the outside dark--i.e. beyond the walls of Eä). Of course, considering how he brought about the Downfall of Númenor, he must have been using it for the longest time. But the Nine was the consummation of this plan. With this said the Nazgûl become more fallen than anything I could comprehend. They must have done evil things, and feared the fate that awaits them when they die. So they allied themselves to Sauron, and they became his greatest servants. They had to protect the One to protect themselves from what they truly fear. Sorry for disjointed thought--just thinking and typing as I go. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

01-31-2005, 04:45 PM	#6
Gorthaur the Cruel Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Mordor Posts: 150	A question about gandalf's ring: If Gandalf had fought the Balrog... were not the Balrog able to melt the rings of power like the dragons can? And if indeed the Three enhanced the natural powers of the wearer... why then when Gandalf the white admitted that he was afraid of the Witch King of Angmar? After all, he's been enhanced by cemoning the white plus the powers of Narya. __________________ I am Annatar, the Lord of Gifts.

01-31-2005, 05:43 PM	#7
Neithan Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 126	Are you sure that Ganalf was afraid of the Witch King in the books? I can't remember him saying so, but it has been a little while since I read RotK. Obviously he was afraid of him in the movies but they often stray from the books. As far as the Balrog goes, I doubt it could destroy the Ring while Gandalf was wearing it without destroying him as well. __________________ If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. Men will believe what they see.~Henry David Thoreau

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