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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Feb 2004
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I always thought it was Orthanc and Barad-Dur. But now that you mention it, it could be Cirith Ungol. However, I'm leaning towards it being Orthanc and Barad-Dur, which are the two main strongholds of the two supreme antagonists. It makes more sense and besides, Barad-Dur is more 'important' in the sense that it is the residence of Sauron and is reflective of his strength, whereas Cirth Ungol is a subsidiary of his power and the residence of his lieutenant. Still, you never know! (Well, I guess you do, if someone answers this question better than me).
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Scion of The Faithful
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Yes, Barad-dūr was one of my choices, because, along with Orthanc, it is the most important tower for evil.
But I wonder if the immediate doesn't have anything to do with the choice of names. And, since Frodo passed Minas Morgul, that might be another plausible choice. Oh, and Fin2, Frodo and Sam have yet to personally encounter Cirith Ungol. So I don't think it's one of the choices. Although: Quote:
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Illusionary Holbytla
Join Date: Dec 2003
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I've always wondered if the term didn't refer to something more symbollic (as well as the towers themselves). TTT is the only book that is completely split between Frodo and Sam and the rest of the Fellowship. So maybe it refers to the two different directions the book takes? The two really don't touch each other at all, except for a few references ("I wonder where Frodo and Sam are now" type things). Even the first part of RotK is much more in touch with Frodo and Sam and the Ring (partially helped by Faramir's news) than the first part of TTT, where they don't seem to be as big of an immediate concern.
So that's my theory, make of it what you will. |
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Pile O'Bones
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Barad-Dur and Orthanc, that's my guess too... Since Sauron and Saruman were connected to eachother by palantķrs...
But of course, I can be (and that's most likely that I am) wrong...
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Corpus Cacophonous
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Well, it appears that Tolkien himself was not wholly decided on the issue and preferred that it be left ambiguous. If pressed, however, it seems that he would have nominated Orthanc and the Tower of Cirith Ungol, although his original jacket design depicted Orthanc and Minas Morgul.
Here are some illuminating extracts from The Letters on this issue: Quote:
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Since I do not have my books with me, the quotes above are provided courtesy of Diamond18's post in the second of the threads linked to below, all of which provide further thoughts on this point: Two Towers? Which towers are the Two Towers? Towers
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While it appears, as SpM points out, that Tolkien wasn't sure what he ment by the Two Towers, we could still form our guesses. I would say it's Isengard and Barad-dur.
If we look in The Breaking of the Fellowship, when Frodo is upon Amon Hen, there are places mentioned. Isengard, Minas Tirith, Minas Morgul, and Barad-dur. I don't want to quote the whole thing, since it's like a page, so it will only be the parts I'm looking at. If you wish to see the whole thing, well you know where it is. After part about the Misty Mountains, and Anduin, Isengard is mentioned... Quote:
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Barad-dur, the "tower" of adament, and Orthanc, the "pinnacle" of Isengard. Pinnacle=Tower. That's just my argument for the story, since Tolkien wasn't sure, and has a wide range of possibilities, we won't know, this is just how I think of it. Last edited by Boromir88; 01-17-2005 at 10:50 AM. |
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Princess of Skwerlz
Join Date: Jan 2002
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It is interesting to note that Peter Jackson's interpretation of the Two Towers in the movie(s) makes them Orthanc and Barad-Dūr, naming the alliance between the two towers as the reason.
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