None that can hurt him? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lhunardawen · 01-16-2005, 11:51 PM

I was preparing for my CbC post for "The White Rider" when I saw this...

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...But we have One, the White Rider. He has passed through the fire and the abyss and they shall fear him.

This was said by Aragorn. I believe that with Gandalf's power came another that is completely opposite the Nazgul's. If their mere presence caused fear in the hearts of Men, so will Gandalf be feared by his enemies. This fear does not work for Aragorn and the rest, though...but his renewed (and greater) strength could have been enough to ward off their advances.

Assasin · 01-25-2005, 04:53 PM

When Gandalf got "re-alived" then he probably got some sort of heavy duty wizard battery too. He was brought back for a reason, so, he has to stay alive to fulfill it.

Lolidir · 01-29-2005, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

with Gandalf's power came another that is completely opposite the Nazgul's.

so if Gandalf's new powers are the opposite of the Nazgul, therefore no ordinary weapons could hurt him. if Anduril couldnt hurt the Nazgul then it couldnt hurt Gandalf. right? who knows maybe it could because it could defeat the strongest of the enemy - Sauron. but it didnt say it could so that only leaves me to believe that it couldnt, and in that case couldnt kill Gandalf.

Gil-Galad · 01-29-2005, 09:39 PM

i actually agree with you there, but my theory on how it can hurt sauron is because after saurons original body died along with the fall of Numernore, Sauron became a lesser Maia, and with his "death" he lost his invulnerability

Lolidir · 01-29-2005, 09:59 PM

honestly i havent gotten around to reading the other books like The Silmarillion and some of the other history books ( i know it is a crime, but i have school books to read, what can i say) and since i havent read those others i dont know to much about anything. but i would have to agree with you on that one. which in that case is the reason that it hurts him. and it doesnt hurt the Nazgul because they are wraiths.

Fingolfin II · 01-30-2005, 12:26 AM

Some good ideas here, thanks for the replies! I'm probably more inclined to agree with Lhuna, though Heren's theory strikes well to me also. Either way, I'm sure we all agree that he couldn't be hurt by Anduril

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Originally Posted by Lolidir

and it doesnt hurt the Nazgul because they are wraiths.

Nay, Merry's sword (forged by the Men of Numenor) and Eowyn's sword were able to pierce the King of the Nazgul. Thus, it stands to reason that Anduril could also, being a sword of greater potency.

Lolidir · 01-30-2005, 09:36 AM

true. I guess i wasnt thinking straight last night. i guess it all goes back to who wields it and who strikes the Nazgul. that whole "no man can kill me"

Finwe-89 · 01-30-2005, 02:12 PM

Well, I think Gandalf can't die again, since he has been send back. Cause he had a task to fulfill so I think the Valar made him immortal untill he fulfilled his task,cause I don't think Valar wants to take any risk that Gandalf dies again.

01-25-2005, 04:53 PM	#2
Assasin Wight Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a desert. Posts: 142	When Gandalf got "re-alived" then he probably got some sort of heavy duty wizard battery too. He was brought back for a reason, so, he has to stay alive to fulfill it. __________________ Death is as light as a feather, duty is as heavy as a mountain.

01-29-2005, 09:39 PM	#4
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	i actually agree with you there, but my theory on how it can hurt sauron is because after saurons original body died along with the fall of Numernore, Sauron became a lesser Maia, and with his "death" he lost his invulnerability __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

01-29-2005, 09:59 PM	#5
Lolidir Wight Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Roaming the plains of Middle Earth Posts: 103	honestly i havent gotten around to reading the other books like The Silmarillion and some of the other history books ( i know it is a crime, but i have school books to read, what can i say) and since i havent read those others i dont know to much about anything. but i would have to agree with you on that one. which in that case is the reason that it hurts him. and it doesnt hurt the Nazgul because they are wraiths. __________________ "Its a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to"

01-30-2005, 09:36 AM	#7
Lolidir Wight Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Roaming the plains of Middle Earth Posts: 103	true. I guess i wasnt thinking straight last night. i guess it all goes back to who wields it and who strikes the Nazgul. that whole "no man can kill me" __________________ "Its a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to"

01-30-2005, 02:12 PM	#8
Finwe-89 Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In Lotholorien, looking in the mirror that shows that there is still hope for life... Posts: 84	Well, I think Gandalf can't die again, since he has been send back. Cause he had a task to fulfill so I think the Valar made him immortal untill he fulfilled his task,cause I don't think Valar wants to take any risk that Gandalf dies again. __________________ Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum- ishi krimpatul... Beware: Don't speak this loud when you're alone in the dark... Unless you really want it... But don't say I didn't warn you...

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