Changes that you weren't bothered by. - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Boromir88 · 12-17-2004, 11:01 AM

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Also, *hides behind a shield* I've decided that I don't really mind that the Scouring was cut out. This way I get to keep my own mental image of it, instead of getting stuck with PJ's ideas. That could be the case with a lot of deleted scenes. You can keep your own thoughts on it. *nod nod*

A wonderful thought Saphy, never considered that before. I always thought what SpM stated (which I believe is actually in another thread), that by the time people have been sitting watching a movie for over 3 hrs, they wonder when it is done. I know my butt got sore and the movie was only half over

. I'm dissapointed, but it is a change that I can live with. PJ did state that it would have been too much for the actors to have to do even more filming, and I agree with the guy.

Guinevere · 12-17-2004, 04:11 PM

Most of the changes in FotR didn't bother me - because they were in character and some of them actually enhanced the story!
- Merry and Pippin letting off the fireworks at Bilbo's party etc. and Sam dancing with Rosie.
-I agree with you that it was much better to leave out Tom Bombadil!
-the shortened journey to Bree didn't bother me too much , although it seemed a bit strange how Merry & Pippin just run accidentally into Frodo &Sam , and then join them on the journey ...
- Pippin saying "what about second breakfast?" that wasn't in the book, but it fitted so well!
- I didn't mind Arwen replacing Glorfindel and I thought it was well done to show more of her, because of her story in the appendices.
- The council of Elrond was changed and much shortened, but well done. (In the book nobody quarreled)
- I think the depiction of Boromir was actually better than in the book! For example the scene where he teaches the hobbits how to use a sword, or when he picks up the Ring on Caradhras. Not to forget the dramatic death scene. I think his words to Aragorn were very much in character.
- Moria was great. The troll-fighting scene was too long for my taste, but it didn't really bother me.
(The worst things for me in FotR was the wizards fight and Frodo being so weak.)

In TTT most of the changes were quite drastic and did bother me! Especially the changed characters! But I won't go into that here.

- the Elves in Helm's Deep weren't logical if one knows the history, but they looked so noble and I love the "martial Lothlorien-theme"music when they march in... so it didn't bother me too much.
- I thought it was quite ok to show Arwen , as she must have been in Aragorn's thoughts, and after all she was "watching over him from afar" (Only Elrond wasn't in character!)

In RotK most of the changes do bother me

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- But I loved the scene in the SEE DVD where Pippin & Faramir talk together.

Rose Cotton · 12-19-2004, 03:53 PM

The thing about making changes in the movie is that it does three things:

1. It makes what happens in the book dramatic on the screen. Although Tolkien was a brilliant story teller he does make very questionable decision in his book. Many major scenes and battles are presented through someone talking about it after the fact. How many people do you think could have sat through 20 minutes of Merry and Pip talking about how the Ents destroyed Isengard? Also it takes out scenes like the Mouth of Sauron which in the movie's chonological order simply don't serve the story.

2. It makes the books more accessible to a larger audience. The Lord of the Rings really is like reading rather enjoyable moment in history out of a text book. Which means that there are uncountable characters, subcharacters, and sub-subcharacters. The references to the history of Middle Earth are mind-boggiling. I'm sure we all agree that that would never have totally transended into film and what was put inte the films was great. But, while your simplifying this would it also means that changes must be made.

3. To me this is the most important. The changes make the book fans fly to the edge of thier seats. For those who know the story cover to cover it alows us to enjoy little suprises. It makes us think as PJ says in the RotK: EE Director's commentary 'If they can do that, what else will they do?'

Therefore, while at first I did resent some of the changes that took place in the movie and I lament the exclusion of some of the scenes that I love I still like and/or understand the changes that were made. (yes, even the separation of Sam and Frodo)

12-17-2004, 04:11 PM	#2
Guinevere Banshee of Camelot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 5,830	Most of the changes in FotR didn't bother me - because they were in character and some of them actually enhanced the story! - Merry and Pippin letting off the fireworks at Bilbo's party etc. and Sam dancing with Rosie. -I agree with you that it was much better to leave out Tom Bombadil! -the shortened journey to Bree didn't bother me too much , although it seemed a bit strange how Merry & Pippin just run accidentally into Frodo &Sam , and then join them on the journey ... - Pippin saying "what about second breakfast?" that wasn't in the book, but it fitted so well! - I didn't mind Arwen replacing Glorfindel and I thought it was well done to show more of her, because of her story in the appendices. - The council of Elrond was changed and much shortened, but well done. (In the book nobody quarreled) - I think the depiction of Boromir was actually better than in the book! For example the scene where he teaches the hobbits how to use a sword, or when he picks up the Ring on Caradhras. Not to forget the dramatic death scene. I think his words to Aragorn were very much in character. - Moria was great. The troll-fighting scene was too long for my taste, but it didn't really bother me. (The worst things for me in FotR was the wizards fight and Frodo being so weak.) In TTT most of the changes were quite drastic and did bother me! Especially the changed characters! But I won't go into that here. - the Elves in Helm's Deep weren't logical if one knows the history, but they looked so noble and I love the "martial Lothlorien-theme"music when they march in... so it didn't bother me too much. - I thought it was quite ok to show Arwen , as she must have been in Aragorn's thoughts, and after all she was "watching over him from afar" (Only Elrond wasn't in character!) In RotK most of the changes do bother me . - But I loved the scene in the SEE DVD where Pippin & Faramir talk together. __________________ Yes! "wish-fulfilment dreams" we spin to cheat our timid hearts, and ugly Fact defeat!

12-19-2004, 03:53 PM	#3
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	The thing about making changes in the movie is that it does three things: 1. It makes what happens in the book dramatic on the screen. Although Tolkien was a brilliant story teller he does make very questionable decision in his book. Many major scenes and battles are presented through someone talking about it after the fact. How many people do you think could have sat through 20 minutes of Merry and Pip talking about how the Ents destroyed Isengard? Also it takes out scenes like the Mouth of Sauron which in the movie's chonological order simply don't serve the story. 2. It makes the books more accessible to a larger audience. The Lord of the Rings really is like reading rather enjoyable moment in history out of a text book. Which means that there are uncountable characters, subcharacters, and sub-subcharacters. The references to the history of Middle Earth are mind-boggiling. I'm sure we all agree that that would never have totally transended into film and what was put inte the films was great. But, while your simplifying this would it also means that changes must be made. 3. To me this is the most important. The changes make the book fans fly to the edge of thier seats. For those who know the story cover to cover it alows us to enjoy little suprises. It makes us think as PJ says in the RotK: EE Director's commentary 'If they can do that, what else will they do?' Therefore, while at first I did resent some of the changes that took place in the movie and I lament the exclusion of some of the scenes that I love I still like and/or understand the changes that were made. (yes, even the separation of Sam and Frodo) __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

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