LOTR Astrology Project (Introduction)

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by The Barrow-Wight

While we are waiting for the 'students', let's review Idea + Example = Better Topic (not Idea + Idea + Some More Ideas About The Idea). The thread creator should be the provider of examples that are the impetus for input from other members.

I read your post. Good job, but you and others surely mean Idea+Example+Confidence+Stamina+ a little bit of Intuition = Awsome Post?

okay. that was lame but, i always have to be prepared if someone doesn't like my dry humour or wit... Thanks for the post link anyway.

~Ka~

P.S. To answer your student inquirery, i gave them the option of doing homework. Thankful for me, this post will turn out great because of that. As for being in my teaching mode, i'm more easy than others. My teaching methods are easy for others. But, the results might vary. Who knows where this will lead to. Maybe we might have a novel or textbook.

[Encaitare]

Boromir undoubtly is a cancer

As a Cancer who has researched her sign quite thoroughly, I must beg to differ.

I know that the excellent example you gave was meant to be just that -- an example -- but it could definitely serve as a starting point.

When I first thought of what sign Boromir might have, the sign that immediately came into my head was Scorpio. This sign is ruled by Mars, the namesake of the god of war, and Pluto, which according to Astrologycom is "the planet of transformation." Astrologycom also says that as a fixed sign, it is "strong and solid." Boromir, a warrior, is indeed "strong and solid," and he does go through transformation-- albeit not until his death.

Boromir pre-Quest is a noble and highly respected man. "Scorpio governs will and authority." (Astrologycom). This would certainly be a necessary trait for someone who was more than likely to inherit the Stewardship of Gondor. Scorpios make good soldiers or sailors: they like discipline and respond to it, perhaps with a view to inflicting it themselves in due time. (The Compleat Astrologer). While I think that "inflicting" is too harsh a word, you can get the idea. Boromir is a leader; he's used to being in charge and having people listen to him.

When he arrives at the Council of Elrond and is "told off" a couple of times (about Aragorn's true identity, not being able to use the Ring), he's a bit put out because he doesn't have all the answers. He did, however, come to figure something out: the meaning behind the cryptic dream that he and Faramir had. "Keys to your success are a strong will and the ability to get to the bottom of things. You want answers and will doggedly persist until you get them." (Astrologycom). He did get his answers, even if he didn't like them all so much.

Scorpios are often jealous, and this jealousy combined with their determination is not a positive thing. This was seen when Boromir tried to seize the Ring from Frodo: he was convinced that he was right, and he thought that he could not be stopped. The Ring could only have served to amplify these traits.

The symbol for Scorpio is obviously the scorpion, a deadly creature not to be trifled with, hence Boromir's stamina and his ability to slay so many of the attacking Uruk-hai even as he was being shot. Yet the eagle is sometimes used for this sign as well, which would symbolize "the power also to rise above wordly diffculties, to soar away from any earthbound antagonism." (the Compleat Astrologer). Through giving up his life to defend Merry and Pippin, Boromir was able to "soar away" from the greed and negativity he had showed previously in trying to take the Ring, and redeem himself.

One reason I'm a bit skeptical about the idea of Boromir being a Cancer is that most Cancerians not only care about their families, but they want to start a family of their own. Boromir was always more interested in war and glory than settling down with a nice woman... perhaps Faramir would be the Cancer? I'd like to explore that idea a bit further, but alas, no time as of now.

[THE Ka]

hee hee . Sounds like your talking about me... (i'm a sun sign: scorpio, moon sign: pisces or in other words the biggest rebel around.)

Good point. But, i'm still curious about something. Yes, Cancers are willing to start their own family as well as helping their own, but with all water signs is their basic foundation. Emotion! All water signs are controled by their emotions. Interesting thing though, scorpios may not be into the whole "family" idea but, they do govern a partial aspect of love.

"Water signs are plastic, unstable, reflective, reponsive and fertile. The keyword for the water signs is "emotion" for water has to do with our emotional vehicles and the astral level of expression...
Scorpio, the Fixed water sign represents the control and mastery of the meotional nature throgh loving Will...
Scorpio is 'the stagnant waters of the marshes; unhealthy and hidden things which must be brought to light and transmuted.' " (Astrology a cosmic science, Isabel M. Hickey)

So, now we still can say Boromir does have feelings but, he's not the "emotional genorator" as Cancer is. Scorpio's are emotional sponges, soaking up every emotional response to a person, place or thing to better understand it. Also Scorpio is what is known as a "Mental" sign. They would rather use their minds then brute reasoning. I can see this when boromir tries to perswade Frodo (a Libra) to take up his advice and road home. Only problem is that Libra's take forever to make up their mind, (the whole scale ideal) weighing out everything to make the best choice. Frodo might have been thinking only on the present, but Boromir had been collecting emotional information on him for months. (Scorpios make excellent stalkers, spies, ect.) And i think that might had been why boromir was impatient to act. He saw in the situation that if he had the most information on this choice than fordo did, why shouldn't frodo take it up? Ending result: Undecision+Calculated Perswasion= CONFLICT.

Another aspect that would be good to know is what makes a fixed sign a fixed sign?
"the fixed signs are Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius. the fixed signs manifest as "Will". They follow the Cardinal signs. They are the most consistent and persistent of the signs. They are reticent and non-committal on first approach. The force in fixed signs becomes a quiet, organizing force. Fixed signs indicate action motivated by principles. They are unswervingly stubborn and will never deviate form a set path unless they want to do so. They are the planners, theformula makers, and the construtors. The fixed signs are the most difficult to describe for their basic motivations are seldom obvious and they do not reveal them willingly. They are reservoirs of energy and power. They have a definite pattern and resist all outer interference that will alter it." (Isable M. Hickey)

From this wonderful description, I can see that this seems to describe the dwarves more than Boromir but, some aspects do mention some patterns of his. At first, Boromir never bothers with Frodo with questions. Later on though, it becomes very apparent what Boromir is after. Another influence is what the ring did to Boromir. Both the ring and Sauron are wonderful examples of the Darker side of scorpio, or the Pluto aspect of pluto, not the Minerva aspect (I will explain this in a later essay). One aspect of any scorpio weither positive or negative is control. What the difference is how they recieve that position. A more positive scorpio would build up allinences of loving will, or friendly persuasions through motivation. A darker scorpio aspect would be ruthless and destructive to make their point known and demands made. With this in mind, we can see that the ring didn't own Boromir, but gave him a more seemingly at that point in time better advantage. Scorpios' like to stay ahead of the game at all costs. This is one reason why they are known for stamina and deturnmination.

As I mentioned before, Boromir is not without emotions. Scorpio governs generation, degeneration, and regeneration. Scorpio individuals have strong passions that need regenerations. Or how Isabel M. Hickey explains:

"Scorpios are truly powerful when they do not seek power for self, but seek to be used by the power to heal and bless others. Their goals are reached by service, purity, compassion, and humility. When they serve others and forget themselves they are truly dynamic and majestic. Scorpios are not likely to have a happy marriage until they have redeemed and transformed their natures. Yet marriages and relationships are extremely important for them. Their regeneration lies in learning to be cooperative and outgoning towards others." (Isabel M. Hickey)

Scorpios (I should know this...) would love nothing more than to live out their lives alone on Private Islands away from the world and others. But, unfortunately, we can't. In other words, Scorpio the passionate, must become Pisces the Compassionate.

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As for Faramir, I am not really sure. But, i see more of a Sagittarius or Pisces than Cancer. Faramir is willing to change on dime you might say, something both these signs are able to do.

As for a keywords of the day, here they are:

Cardinal signs (Cancer, Libra, Aries and Capricorn): interested in crisis, in activity and what is going on.

Fixed Signs (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius) : Interested in values and ideas.

Mutable Signs (Gemini, Virgo, Pisces and Sagittarius): Interested in people and relationships.

Hope you all enjoy.

~Ka~

[Elennar Starfire]

It seems the more I read the less I know...I've got a lot of catching up to do.

At least there seems to be agreement that Boromir is a Water sign, if not which one.

[THE Ka]

yes, i think we've got that covered. but, just wait until i bring up Gandalf! That's going to be a big mystery...

[THE Ka]

I was going to go on with the rest of the water sign essays but, i think i will hold off until we all can discuss them. I don't want to exclude anyone from this project, because i really don't like the idea of leaving anyone behind. So, just to prepare everyone, instead of reading about every other sign, read as much as you can about just Pisces. That is going to be the next sign in discussion. Also try to check out on astrologycom.com about relations... even if they are in the context of a "love" relationship, they still can show a lot of information that will be helpful. i would suggest just to stick with Pisces for now.

Hope this can help everyone.

~Ka~

[Elennar Starfire]

Here it is, all the info you can get from World Book Encylcopedia, condensed by 'Leny. (now you all don't have to go digging through all those encyclopedias for the seperate articles on each sign!)
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The Zodiac

Aries, The Ram: 22 March-19 April
Fire sign, ruled by Mars
Bold, courageous, determined, energetic, hot-tempered, impatient, strong, lose interest quickly in tasks that require much time, like excitement and variety.

Taurus, The Bull: 20 April-20 May
Earth sign, ruled by Venus
Affectionate, conservative, loyal, stubborn, patient, trustworthy, appreciate beauty, comfort, and nature, move slowly, may be lazy, finish what they begin, "down-to-earth", not talkative, hold grudges, even-tempered, but fierce when angered.

Gemini, The Twins: 21 May-20 June
Air sign, ruled by Mercury
Curious, lively, moody, restless, two-sided personality, sees both sides of an issue, change moods quickly, indecisive, talkative, witty, talents for communication and language.

Cancer, The Crab: 21 June-22 July
Water sign, ruled by the Moon
Artistic, emotional, home-loving, instinctive, patriotic, shy, intuitive, sensitive, put dreams over reality, can be hard to get along with, sometimes selfish, aware of public needs.

Leo, The Lion: 23 July-22 August
Fire sign, ruled by the Sun
Cheerful, colourful, generous, kind, proud, powerful, energetic, good leaders, enjoy being the center of attention.

Virgo, The Virgin: 23 August-22 September
Earth sign, ruled by Mercury
Careful, efficient, modest, practical, tidy, intelligent, often have an interest in health, find fault with things other people think unimportant, critical, rely on reason, work in the background, may seem unsympathetic.

Libra, The Scales: 23 September-22 October
Air sign, ruled by Venus
Companionable, diplomatic, friendly, intelligent, pleasant, thoughtful, like balance and harmony, dislike conflict and sudden changes, good at patching up quarrels, indecisive, compromise easily, have an eye for beauty.

Scorpio, The Scorpion: 23 October-21 November
Water sign, ruled by Mars and Pluto
Aggressive, intense, moody, passionate, secretive, quick-tempered, often get respect rather than affection.

Sagittarius, The Archer: 22 November-21 December
Fire sign, ruled by Jupiter
Cheerful, enthusiastic, generous, outgoing, relaxed, warm, like to be surrounded by friends, have trouble following direction, spend money impulsively, thoughtful, fond of exploring ideas, good at far-sighted desicions, like change and travel, independent.

Capricorn, The Goat: 22 December-19 January
Earth sign, ruled by Saturn
Ambitious, cautious, dignified, patient, persistent, practical, don't have much of a sense of humour, enjoy challenge of difficult problems, don't rush into friendships, loyal, stubborn.

Aquarius, The Water Bearer: 20 January-18 February
Air sign, ruled by Saturn and Uranus
Curious, independent, modern, serious, open-minded, outgoing, don't respect tradition, logical and scientific, have many friends but are hard to get to know well, avoid close relationships, support social/political causes with great enthusiasm, enjoy shocking people with their behavior.

Pisces, The Fishes: 19 February-20 March
Water sign, ruled by Jupiter and Neptune
Emotional, friendly, imaginative, intelligent, sensitive, vague, ruled by emotions, talented, have trouble with practical problems, retreat from reality, have a keen awareness of other people's moods, have trouble commiting to long-term action, drift from one thing to another.

The Planets

Mercury-talkative and witty
Venus-beauty and love
Saturn-disciplined
Uranus-change and disturbance
Mars-force and violence
Pluto-secrecy
Jupiter-wise and friendly

The Houses

1st-appearance and personality
2nd-possessions
3rd-family relations
4th-parents
5th-children
6th-health
7th-friends and marriage
8th-death
9th-travel
10th-career
11th-ideals
12th-illness and sorrow
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Hope that's useful to someone. If Ka has any corrections, she's probably right. Oh, and the dates vary slightly depending on your source.

I would say Boromir is a Cancer, not a Scorpio. Cancers are "patriotic, aware of public needs, and sometimes selfish". Boromir rationalizes taking the ring as protecting the people of Gondor. He also wants the personal glory.