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Old 11-07-2004, 10:40 AM   #1
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I'd destroy the steps up to reach Cirith Ungol. I mean, if someone still manages to climp up there they're going to be so knackered they'd be easy meat for Shelob.
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Old 11-27-2004, 06:58 AM   #2
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Destroy every place in Mordor where there aren't any Orcs (except Shelob's lair) and get better guards around MT. Doom.I mean,he knew that that mountain is his greatest weakness and he didn't have any guard there.I also would think of some better tactic to destroy Minas Tirith because his tactic was like cheese-it had too many holes.He trusted too much to Saruman,he forgoth about Aragorn and that is why he lost at Pellenor.
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Old 11-27-2004, 12:37 PM   #3
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Welcome to the Downs Amrod the Hunter.

I must, however, take issue with you on this:


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... he forgoth about Aragorn and that is why he lost at Pellenor.
Sauron was only too aware of Aragorn. Aragorn made sure of that when he used the Palantir of Orthanc. It was this that prompted Sauron to make a move on Minas Tirith earlier than he might otherwise have done. What he didn't bargain for was the Rohirrim being free to ride to Gondor's aid and Aragorn's nifty use of the Oathbreakers to take the Corsairs out of the equation and turn up at the Pelennor unannounced.

Indeed, it was Sauron's preoccupation with the Isildur's heir, encouraged by the "diversion" (as film Legolas so helpfully puts it ) at the Black Gate, that caused him to make the mistake of taking his "eye" off Mordor, thus allowing a certain two Hobbits to slip into Mordor that much more easily.
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Old 04-01-2007, 12:00 PM   #4
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True, this great fear that someday men would rise against him under a strong leader eventually led to his downfall. It's actually quite fascinating, it borders on sociology. "Self-fulfiling prophecy". He believed that Isildur's heir would one day destroy him and through his attempted prevention made the likelihood of that outcome even greater.
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Old 04-01-2007, 06:40 PM   #5
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After completely fortifying Mount Doom and the surrounding areas, I would have not wasted a moment in destroying Gondor with the Morgul-host. I would have immediately assaulted the White City, while the Corsairs attacked Pelargir and possibly Dol Amroth, and after taking Minas Tirith join with Saruman's forces and unleash hell upon Rohan. Another host out of Mordor I would send towards Moria with the Easterlings to burn Lorien to the ground and move north from there, converging with Saruman and the Morgul Host on Arnor and Eriador. I would have sent the Mouth of Sauron to lead my Udun-host north to gather the Moria goblins and Easterlings. The Haradrim would not be far behind either hosts.

Heh heh heh. I like having huge armies...
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Old 04-02-2007, 01:16 AM   #6
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if i was sauron i would of at least sealed up the door way to mount doom....

or

dug a big deep moat.....

or

built a big fence around the top of mount doom
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:04 AM   #7
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Question Pippin more when he looks in the Palantir! Then I could KNOW Frodo had the Ring, kill him, and regain control of the world. Mwahaha!
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Old 04-02-2007, 03:24 AM   #8
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Stretching out the thread's question a bit, I'll cover better options for all of Sauron's conflicts.

Isle of Werewolves

When Luthien announced herself, Sauron should have looked out the large window overlooking the island (and if that failed, turn into a hawk that would be hard to see) and try to spot any surprises she might have brought with her. After seeing Huan, Sauron could have done these things:

1. Swooped down low on/in the wind that wouldn't carry his scent to Huan, turn into his large vampire form when near the ground, and like in Jeepers Creepers 2, swoop Luthien up quickly and take her to Morgoth for a reward.

2. Sent out his wolves in large number (all at once, I might add,) and observe battle from window to see if Luthien had backup or was putting up a good fight. If Huan wasn't injured too badly to fight from the wolves (not killed, due to the prophecy,) Sauron should have taken his werewolf form, gone out to fight, and not have attacked Luthien when Huan dropped his guard and leapt aside in terror. Even if everything else was like the books, he likely would not have failed if he didn't waste that opportunity.

3. Gone out there himself in werewolf form, attacked Huan when he dropped his guard and his spirit faultered, take vampire form and fly to Morgoth with Luthien in his clutches.

Numenor

Ar-Pharazon would likely attack anyway, so all that could be done would be to keep the orc-hordes calm so that they wouldn't panic and abandon their master, so that they wouln't have to be found and re-recruited. Numenor was already down a dark path, and Ar-Pharazon would probably appoint the first guy that fed his ego (or just bring Sauron to a higher rank so that he could display him as a "trophy" for his ego,) so the same role in the books would be alright, but with less attention drawn to himself and an attempt to make it look like Ar-Pharazon chose those actions alone. When Numenor attacked Valinor, retreating to Mordor would be a good maneuver in case the Valar took major action or prayed to Eru, which would be very likely considering the circumstances. Forces, large yet small enough to avoid the elves, would be littered along the Anduin in the event of any faithful Numenorians fleeing from a potential catastrophic event caused by higher powers.

Last Alliance

A possibility here would be to make sure the elves and men never formed an alliance to begin with, so, if powerful enough, attacking the elves while Numenor assaulted Valinor would have a chance of success. If the alliance formed with such power anyway, a tactic of refitting Barad-Dur with siege engines and numerous places for archers to cause havok could bring positive results, though the credibilty of the tower's "invincible foundations" would play greatly on this. A strategy of sending an army to face the Alliance while another force approached from the rear might be applicable, though the LA could easily do the same. For Elendil and Gil-Galad, anything from simply turning them to ash with the Black Hand or making lava from Mount Doom fly at them with incredible speed and accuracy would work. I mean, honestly, these two aren't packing the strength of Feanor's family, and they don't even have a prophecy behind them.



War of the Ring

Getting some orc hordes to steal a map of Middle-Earth off of a dead ranger and making Gollum point to where the Shire was may have worked. Simply sealing Mount Doom could also yield results, though if he was still blinded by arrogance and wouldn't sealed the way just to be careful, he could have tried to make the mountain erupt and rain lava, stone, burning stone, and etc. down on places such as Minas Tirith, sealing up the way into Mount Doom so that none of the stuff would "leak" onto Mordor.

Those options out of the way, the hosts of Dol Guldur could have been turned to other matters, reacting to Lothlorien only if Lothlorien made the first move. The elves of Lothlorien seemed rather uninterested in the rest of Middle-Earth, so leaving them alone unless they bothered Sauron's armies would work. More orcs could be diverted from Moria to help Saruman, and even declaring war on Rohan to assist Grima's slaughter of Theoden's morale is an option, though actually attacking Rohan does not need to be done. Finally, using half of the Mordor host to help the Morgul host for an assured victory is on the table.
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Old 04-02-2007, 08:44 AM   #9
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Destroy every place in Mordor where there aren't any Orcs (except Shelob's lair) and get better guards around MT. Doom.I mean,he knew that that mountain is his greatest weakness and he didn't have any guard there.I also would think of some better tactic to destroy Minas Tirith because his tactic was like cheese-it had too many holes.He trusted too much to Saruman,he forgoth about Aragorn and that is why he lost at Pellenor.

I don't think Sauron saw the mountain as his greatest weakness (If it even was) because as was stated in the book, he couldn't conceive of someone trying to destroy the ring.
But to get back on topic, I think if he had not allowed himself to be baited into attacking Minas Tirith when he did, if he could have waited and consolidated more of his forces and allowed his Nazgul to act as his airborne survellance for a bit longer, he might... well, he STILL would have lost because Frodo was slipping in through the back door.

The only way he could have won would have been to admit that someone might just decide to destroy the ring and not use it to contest his own power.
Then he might have bumped up his defenses a bit more.
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