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Old 09-18-2004, 08:17 AM   #1
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Perhaps the dwarves directed the men in building.
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Old 09-18-2004, 01:02 PM   #2
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I don't think the dwarves ever were in Osgiliath, or even Gondor, since it would have been a shorter way for them to go straight to Dagorlad. Or maybe they met up with Gil-Galad somewhere.
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Old 09-19-2004, 07:28 PM   #3
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They might have just releived the stress of the Gondorians and allowed the elves and men to fight at Dagorlad while the Dwarves hole the Morgul Vale path
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Old 09-30-2004, 02:40 AM   #4
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Well, I don't reckon they'd leave their dead lying on a battlefield if they could help it, Dwarves were quite proud of their heriteige so wouldn't the do everything in their power to give their fallen comrades a noble end, so maybe that's why there were no Dwarves in the Dead Marshes?
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Old 09-30-2004, 02:43 AM   #5
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Good point, Gothbogg. This tendency of the Dwarves' nature that you highlighted reminded me of how the Dwarves carried off their Lord, Azaghal, in the Nirnaeth, without regard for the battle.
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Old 08-17-2005, 11:01 AM   #6
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Well if tolkien says however that there were very few dwarves then why wouldn't it be plausible that the dwarves are in the marsh I mean the marsh isnt that small they could be scattered you know one here one there so on so forth

then again, unless someone knows the reason they hate dwarves, maybe elves dont get along with dwarves because they abandonned battle to bury their comrades and therefore the elves partially blame the dwarves for the horrifying number of deaths in that battle...just a thought
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Old 08-17-2005, 04:12 PM   #7
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Because it just wasn't the way they did things.

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Doubtful. The reasons for Dwarven/Elven antipathy lie back in the First Age well before the Last Alliance.
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Old 08-18-2005, 09:06 PM   #8
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Well, I don't reckon they'd leave their dead lying on a battlefield if they could help it, Dwarves were quite proud of their heriteige so wouldn't the do everything in their power to give their fallen comrades a noble end, so maybe that's why there were no Dwarves in the Dead Marshes?

I'd have to agree with Gothbogg on this one. They probably carried off all those who died and buried them in proper dwarf fashion. Then again, who knows. They might have only taken those of higher lineage and buried them in their fashion and left the rest to be taken by the Dead Marshes in later years.
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well if they took them off in later years, you would think the bodies would be already decomposed... another theory i came up with was that maybe the dwarves didn't fight at Dagorlad, but after, and participated during the siege of Barad Dur, so maybe only the elves and men fought in the marshes, but when they broke through into Mordor, then the Dwarves came in to help, that would explain there being no dwarven bodies in the Dead marshes
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Old 08-19-2005, 09:27 AM   #10
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No dice. Dwarves are specifically mentioned as having fought there.

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All living things were divided in that day, and some of every kind, even of beasts and birds, were found in either hose, save the Elves only. They alone were undivided and followed Gil-galad. Of the Dwarves few fought upon either side; but the kindred of Durin of Moria fought against Sauron.
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Since Dagorlad was the great battle of the age we have to assume that the dwarves fought there.

Really people, I think you are making this much harder than it has to be. Tolkien specifically stated that the dwarves laid their dead in stone. He gives us the one exception to this rule and emphasizes its uniqueness. There isn't any mention of dwarven corpses in the Dead Marshes. We have to assume that the dwarves found some means of honoring their burial traditions whether they shipped the bodies back home for burial or buried them in the Mountains of Mordor.

I would suggest that perhaps the number of dwarven slain was possibly so small as to render either method relatively easy...except it is very difficult to get a grip on the number of possible participants in this war. The armies on both sides were obviously very large, so the Longbeards could potentially have sent as many as 10,000 warriors and this could have been accounted "few" in comparison with the numbers of men and elves in the army (although this is perhaps an extreme example to illustrate the problems in the question).
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