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A Shade of Westernesse
Join Date: May 2004
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To quote the cliché: that's a pretty big 'if'. For if Faramir weren't as wise as he was, he probably wouldn't have been as admired by the people of Gondor. Assuming that Unwise Faramir was equally admired as the Captain of Ithilien we have come to know, however...
If, for some reason, he rebelled against Aragorn's authority, he probably would have succeeded - depending upon what stage the rebellion began. If Faramir decided to rally the people against Aragorn before the latter's coming into Minas Tirith, he probably would have been successful; Gondorians would likely have been easily convinced that Aragorn was no more than a wandering ranger, at most the last remnant of a dead line. If, however, Faramir began an insurrection against Aragorn's authority after Aragorn had taken the thrown and Sauron was vanquished, it is more likely that he would have failed; King Elessar, who would at this point have been shown to be wise and benevolent (unless this is bizarro-Aragorn, too ![]() ![]() *Walks off, imagining Faramir screaming hysterically while pouring oil on a roped-and-bound Aragorn* *Comes back briefly, to ask, intrepidly, "Is there a point to this conjecture?* |
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Psyche of Prince Immortal
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Imrahil was teh prince of Dol Amroth and had a legitiment call to the throne of gondor, but his faith was with Aragorn from the first time they met... he might stayed neutral but i doubt it, the Sawn knights and himself would be Aragorns elites, Denethor would probaly just die a disgruntled old man... and if you think about it, i know its kinda off topic, but isn't faramir Imrahils nephew? seeing how denethor married Adrahils daughter, sister of Imrahil and Legolas said that Imrahil had elven blood in his veins, so faramir could have elven descent as well!
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Gil-Galad, yes Faramir does have a bit of Elven-Blood. If I got the names right here, Galador and Mithrellas, founded Dol Amroth. So all descendants of them, would have a bit of Elven-blood. Finduilas, was from Dol Amroth, of course her children being Faramir and Boromir, giving them elven-blood.
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This is purely nit-picking on my part, but Galador was the son of Mithrellas, not her husband. Imrazôr was her husband. (They also had a daughter, Gilmith, but that isn't really important right now...
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pennsylvania, WtR, passed Sarn Gebir: Above the rapids (1239 miles) BtR, passed Black Rider Stopping Place (31 miles)
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About the original question, if Faramir had for some reason (picture him
hearing about PJ's Gandalf assaulting his father ![]() fomenting a significant civil war. Just recall 1) the kinstrife and 2) the rejection by the Council of Gondor of Arvedui's clearly legitimate claim to the throne of Gondor. Of course, Tolkien got around this possibility by killing off Denethor and Boromir and making Faramir a "scholar-warrior" without the drive and ambition to be a king (or PM or president nowadays). And going as far back as Numenor "good" people were repeatedly prone to error, arrogance, etc. However, a big factor in Aragorn's favor, probably more then his leading the Army of the West to the gates of Mordor, would have been his role as "the Liberator of South Gondor."
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Jul 2004
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An additional thought, the role of Eomer could have been crucial. Imagine
Faramir seeks power after marrying Eowyn. What does Eomer do? Stay neutral, support his sister and her husband against his best buddy, support Aragorn against his sister's interests? And how would Imrahil be inclined? By the way, while some are disinterested in this kind of speculation, I tend to find "counterfactual" historical-type speculation can, on occasion, be fascinating if done well. I found one book on counterfactual speculations on World war II events well done (by professional historians and/or military experts).
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I don't think the prospect of the people following Faramir is as clear cut as stated. The people were thrilled at the prospect of having a king as soon as Aragorn had arrived and healed the people in the houses of healing. The people wanted a king to return, and bring back Gondor's glory days, so it is possible they would have accepted anyone with a legitimate claim. If a civil war did break out however and Rohan did intervene on one side, it would have been to support Aragorn. Eomer had a strong friendship with Aragorn and probably woul have supported him. I don't think the prospect of Faramirs relationship with Eowyn would have been a factor, because if Faramir was as power hungry as he would have to have been to start a civil war, I don't think he could have won over Eowyn.
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