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Imladris · 09-01-2004, 09:24 PM

Edited, LMP! Satisfactiory I hope?

mark12_30 · 09-02-2004, 06:46 AM

Somebody slugged somebody. Bella didn't see who threw the first punch, and she's a little too close to the action despite Nethwador's attempt to push her back towards Liornung.

Nurumaiel · 09-02-2004, 09:56 AM

Aylwen, would you like to do a post for Bella with her reactions to the fight before I do one? Liornung seems to be the only man left to intervene (save the Elves, but they're not Men

), and if I post for Argeleafa he's going to have to do something. So, steal this opportunity away.

And lmp...? If you want to do anything before Liornung jumps in?

I can't say he'll be successful in trying to stop the fight, but all the same...

littlemanpoet · 09-02-2004, 01:29 PM

I'll have a look around then post; in which I'll show that Ædegard doesn't know how to fight, but has the strength one would expect of a hardened wheelwright. (darn now I'll have to do some research on wheelwrights).

Aylwen Dreamsong · 09-02-2004, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Aylwen, would you like to do a post for Bella with her reactions to the fight before I do one?

Oops! Sorry I wasn't home in time to put up a post. Back to school again.

That's fine that you did though, no complaints here. I'll get another post up tonight.

-Aylwen

littlemanpoet · 09-02-2004, 06:11 PM

I have been trying very hard to present Ædegard as a true Rohirrim with Rohirric sensibilities. The Rohirrim were modeled after the Anglo-Saxons from the middle ages, before 1066 (the date of the Norman Conquest). Honor and blood loyalty were core beliefs.

Now, we moderns think like moderns. No duh, eh?

And therefore it comes as no surprise that Leafa and Liornung, especially, but also Bellyn, think like moderns instead of like Rohirrim and Gondorians of Middle Earth.

This is why I'm having Ædegard speak in the way he is to Leafa, who, for all her Rohirric looks and name, sounds to Ædegard nothing like what he would expect a Rohirric girl to sound like. To his mind, he half wonders if Leafa has been too much under the influence of the Easterlings, but he has to reject that notion, because it does not account for why Liornung and Bellyn think the same way. There is no such thing as a new fad or style in Gondor and Rohan - so he can't fathom that something has perhaps come down from the courts. The only conclusion that he might draw is that this new way of thinking comes from the Elves by way of the King in Minas Tirith, who had much to do with Elves.

Okay, yeah, I've had a lot of education to help me along, compared to some of you who aren't out of high school yet - and might I add that you're all doing quite admirably for all that and it ain't your fault that you don't have so many years under your - um - belt *ahem* (not to mention a few extra pounds) - but I'd like to encourage us toward one additional thing:

Immerse yourselves not only in your own characters and all the connections between characters, but into the culture of the time and place your characters inhabit.

It means forcing yourself to think in other ways than you're used to. And that's a really powerful tool for writing! Oh, and keep having fun with it, eh?

mark12_30 · 09-02-2004, 08:43 PM

In the morning (my time) or in a few minutes (game time), once an elf comes by to translate for them, Nethwador will be able to clarify that part of his anger was due to Ædegard's rejection of him-- but the other half of the anger was, that Ædegard made the quiet, gentle Wayfarer-girl cry.

Loyalty to the Wayfarers! Bad Ædegard!

And if he ever makes Bella cry, Nethwador just might bite him.

See y'all in the morning.,.. zzzzzzzzzzzz

09-01-2004, 09:24 PM	#1
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	Edited, LMP! Satisfactiory I hope? __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

09-02-2004, 06:46 AM	#2
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Somebody slugged somebody. Bella didn't see who threw the first punch, and she's a little too close to the action despite Nethwador's attempt to push her back towards Liornung. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

09-02-2004, 06:11 PM	#6
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Regarding anachronism I have been trying very hard to present Ædegard as a true Rohirrim with Rohirric sensibilities. The Rohirrim were modeled after the Anglo-Saxons from the middle ages, before 1066 (the date of the Norman Conquest). Honor and blood loyalty were core beliefs. Now, we moderns think like moderns. No duh, eh? And therefore it comes as no surprise that Leafa and Liornung, especially, but also Bellyn, think like moderns instead of like Rohirrim and Gondorians of Middle Earth. This is why I'm having Ædegard speak in the way he is to Leafa, who, for all her Rohirric looks and name, sounds to Ædegard nothing like what he would expect a Rohirric girl to sound like. To his mind, he half wonders if Leafa has been too much under the influence of the Easterlings, but he has to reject that notion, because it does not account for why Liornung and Bellyn think the same way. There is no such thing as a new fad or style in Gondor and Rohan - so he can't fathom that something has perhaps come down from the courts. The only conclusion that he might draw is that this new way of thinking comes from the Elves by way of the King in Minas Tirith, who had much to do with Elves. Okay, yeah, I've had a lot of education to help me along, compared to some of you who aren't out of high school yet - and might I add that you're all doing quite admirably for all that and it ain't your fault that you don't have so many years under your - um - belt ahem (not to mention a few extra pounds) - but I'd like to encourage us toward one additional thing: Immerse yourselves not only in your own characters and all the connections between characters, but into the culture of the time and place your characters inhabit. It means forcing yourself to think in other ways than you're used to. And that's a really powerful tool for writing! Oh, and keep having fun with it, eh?

09-02-2004, 08:43 PM	#7
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	In the morning (my time) or in a few minutes (game time), once an elf comes by to translate for them, Nethwador will be able to clarify that part of his anger was due to Ædegard's rejection of him-- but the other half of the anger was, that Ædegard made the quiet, gentle Wayfarer-girl cry. Loyalty to the Wayfarers! Bad Ædegard! And if he ever makes Bella cry, Nethwador just might bite him. See y'all in the morning.,.. zzzzzzzzzzzz __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

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09-02-2004, 09:56 AM	#3
Nurumaiel Vice of Twilight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on a mountain Posts: 1,121	Aylwen, would you like to do a post for Bella with her reactions to the fight before I do one? Liornung seems to be the only man left to intervene (save the Elves, but they're not Men ), and if I post for Argeleafa he's going to have to do something. So, steal this opportunity away. And lmp...? If you want to do anything before Liornung jumps in? I can't say he'll be successful in trying to stop the fight, but all the same...

09-02-2004, 01:29 PM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I'll have a look around then post; in which I'll show that Ædegard doesn't know how to fight, but has the strength one would expect of a hardened wheelwright. (darn now I'll have to do some research on wheelwrights).