*Feanor,Turin and the Second Prophecy of Mandos*

[Findegil]

It seems to be my lot to bump this thread up again.
My re-read had brought forth some observations:

- In my last post I brought in Maedhros as the one how brought the Silmarils to Yavanna. This is clearly outdated since it is based on the S were Feanor palyed no part.

- Im my editing for the VE I toke the part of "the doom of men" and the deletion in the last §§, but I did not take up the addition of Beren. This was only by accident not by intention. It will be emanded in the Version below.

- Also we have as jet not done any editing to bring in the numenorean origin or tradition of the prophecey. I will try that out below.

- Further Aiwendil had complains about the end of the Valaquenta. When I am right we had as jet taken the Valaquenta we produced as the document in Middle-Earth. That would give us a way out of the trouble here: If the Valaquenta was produced in the First Age by some Elf, he would have had no knowledge of the Second Prophecy. Thus an Elf like Finrod would have no legend of the End of the world as is stated in the Valaquenta. On the other hand if the Valaquenta is contardictory to the second Phorphecy it is even stronger against the Ainulindale since there we have also a legend of the end of the world, and against the Athrabeth were such a legend is more or less developed by Finrod.

So fare, what I remeber of my re-read. Here is the Version of the Phrophecy That I would use:

VE-21 The Second Prophecy of Mandos
{Thus spake }Mandos[ spake] in prophecy, when the {Gods}[Valar] sat in judgement in Valinor, and {the}[this] rumour of his words was whispered among all the {Elves}[Men] of the West. When the world is old and the Powers grow weary, then Morgoth, seeing that the guard sleepeth, shall come back through the Door of Night out of the Timeless Void; and he shall destroy the Sun and Moon. But {Eärendel} [Eärendil] shall descend upon him as a white and searing flame and drive him from the airs. Then shall the Last Battle be gathered on the fields of Valinor. In that day Tulkas shall strive with Morgoth, and on his right hand shall be Eönwë, and on his left Túrin Turambar, son of Húrin, and Beren Camlost, returning from the Doom of Men at the ending of the world; and the black sword of Túrin shall deal unto Morgoth his death and final end; and so shall the children of Húrin and all Men be avenged.
Thereafter shall Earth be broken and re-made, and the Silmarils shall be recovered out of Air and Earth and Sea; for {Eärendel} [Eärendil] shall descend and surrender that flame which he hath had in keeping. Then Fëanor shall take the Three Jewels and bear them to Yavanna Kementári; and he will break them and with their fire Yavanna will rekindle the Two Trees, and a great light shall come forth. And the Mountains of Valinor shall be levelled, so that the Light shall go out over all the world. {In that light the Gods will grow young again, and the Elves awake and all their dead arise, and the purpose of Ilúvatar be fulfilled concerning them. But of Men in that day the prophecy of Mandos doth not speak, and no Man it names, save Túrin only, and to him a place is given among the sons of the Valar.}

I changed the first § bring it accordance with the statment that the tardition was of manish origin with as small as change as I could think of.

Respectfully
Findegil