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|  09-06-2002, 09:30 AM | #1 | 
| Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: next to the fire keeping warm 
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				  |  How were hobbits crreated? 
			
			I've been reading all the books on Middle-Earth but have found nothing that says how Hobbits were created. Does anyone know? 1.elves and men by Eru 2.orcs- transformed elves 3.dwarves- by that lesser god (sorry forgot name, doing this off my head) I know they are the closest to men, but are they like midgets in our world? Or did a lesser god create them? or what? Any input will be appreciated. 
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|  09-06-2002, 09:38 AM | #2 | 
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			I don´t think there is any info on how and when they were created, but I might be wrong.
		 
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|  09-06-2002, 10:02 AM | #3 | 
| Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Pacific Northwest - Tir Nan Og 
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			From what I can recall, no one created them as in  a god of any sorts. You might try looking in the hobbit, it has been a while since I have read it.
		 
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|  09-06-2002, 11:13 AM | #4 | 
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			Hmmmmm.... Maybe one of the Valar got bored one day?? Are Hobbits Children of Illuvatar? 
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|  09-06-2002, 11:36 AM | #5 | 
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			Well if they are decended from the Men, they definatly have a place in the great food chain of Middle-earth.
		 
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|  09-06-2002, 12:01 PM | #6 | 
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			Everywhere I've looked says "They appeared".  Treebeard himself says, "Very Strange," as he tries to find them in the rolls of men a creatures. Hobbits were not accounted for! It is my belief the Illuvitar meant them to arise, but told no-one of them in order to keep the from the eyes of Melkor and Sauron. Indeed, if the Hobbits were discovered too soon, they might never have a chance of redeeming the world. At the same time, the Maiar Wizards were sent out. Indeed, if Gandalf were not sent to watch over them it would be a surprise to me. Illuvitar is mysterious, is he/she not? 
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|  09-06-2002, 12:05 PM | #7 | 
| Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Pacific Northwest - Tir Nan Og 
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			That is pretty sublime to think of it in that way. Well Illuvatar was cool, considering that the Elves and Men are their children.
		 
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|  09-07-2002, 01:33 PM | #8 | 
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			To Tirned Tinnu. I like that. I suppose it probably happened that way. Or at least I will think so until proof comes of exactly what J.R.R. Tolkien meant. Thanks everyone that responded.
		 
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|  09-07-2002, 05:19 PM | #9 | 
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			You can use the 'Search' option on the board to see if this has been addressed elsewhere: Here is a reference for you: Hobbit origins 
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|  09-07-2002, 06:12 PM | #10 | ||
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			There's a bit of info about hobbits at the beginning of my copy of FOTR. Quote: 
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|  09-08-2002, 12:38 AM | #11 | 
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			*Becomes totally grossed out!*  *Pounds her head to shake that thought from her head* Oh, dang it. I GIVE UP. Tell me was it a female dwarf with a male Elf or the reverse?! (Morbid curiousity, eh?) [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] 
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|  09-08-2002, 12:42 AM | #12 | ||||
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			Tolkien actually does answer this question very specifically. I have quoted a few passages illustrating that the Professor held hobbits to be Men. From The Letters of JRR Tolkien, Footnote to Letter 131: Quote: 
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