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PaleStar · 08-13-2004, 05:12 PM

so true...so very true...

Mithalwen · 08-14-2004, 10:06 AM

If Sam is a fool it is only in theway of the Shakespearean "fool" of Lear....

I am not sure that there is a fundamental difference between Frodo and Sam .... just a difference in Status and education ..... "queerness" tends to be tolerated better in the high status rich than the low-status poor in the same way now that bad behaviour will be accepted as a passing phase of youthful high spirits in a teenager from a privileged background and incipient juvenile delinquency in one from a deprived background.... La plus ca change....

Mithalwen · 03-07-2005, 11:01 AM

HI-ing to compare with nobility thread

Makar · 03-07-2005, 07:45 PM

Speaking of Sam being portayed as dumb...has anyone seen the Ralph Bakshi cartoon of LotR? Sam is...well, special. I don't know why they went out of the way to make him look like the biggest bumpkin ever. Sean Astin's Sam isn't nearly as bad. I never thought of Sam as stupid either, and I felt sorry him because of the kind of class system that made him love and adore Frodo as his Master more than as a friend at times.

Neferchoirwen · 03-11-2005, 02:16 PM

I thought that PJ's take on Sam in the ending of the movies is touching. I noticed that he had a couple of books with him as he approaches Frodo as soon as he enters Bag End. The way Sam carries himself in this scene, as I notice, is far different than the Same we came to know in the journey. It's almost as if he's all grown up, so to speak.

Celebuial · 03-14-2005, 06:41 AM

I agree with Neferchoirwen: you can really see how much Sam has grown at the end of the film; however I do think that this would've been more apparent for Sam and the rest of the Hobbits if The Scouring of the Shire hadn't been removed (I know this is probably discussed somewhere else though). I do like the change, but I still think that Sam was portrayed as being a little bit too stupid through the majority of the films.

08-13-2004, 05:12 PM	#1
PaleStar Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 43	so true...so very true... __________________ Then down the warrior tumbled/a long and weary way/ 'till at last he rested soundly/ among the water below/ bested by the darkness

08-14-2004, 10:06 AM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	If Sam is a fool it is only in theway of the Shakespearean "fool" of Lear.... I am not sure that there is a fundamental difference between Frodo and Sam .... just a difference in Status and education ..... "queerness" tends to be tolerated better in the high status rich than the low-status poor in the same way now that bad behaviour will be accepted as a passing phase of youthful high spirits in a teenager from a privileged background and incipient juvenile delinquency in one from a deprived background.... La plus ca change.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-07-2005, 11:01 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	HI-ing to compare with nobility thread __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

03-11-2005, 02:16 PM	#5
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	Sam's books I thought that PJ's take on Sam in the ending of the movies is touching. I noticed that he had a couple of books with him as he approaches Frodo as soon as he enters Bag End. The way Sam carries himself in this scene, as I notice, is far different than the Same we came to know in the journey. It's almost as if he's all grown up, so to speak. __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

03-14-2005, 06:41 AM	#6
Celebuial Wight Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cardiff during term time/Leicester in the holl's Posts: 129	I agree with Neferchoirwen: you can really see how much Sam has grown at the end of the film; however I do think that this would've been more apparent for Sam and the rest of the Hobbits if The Scouring of the Shire hadn't been removed (I know this is probably discussed somewhere else though). I do like the change, but I still think that Sam was portrayed as being a little bit too stupid through the majority of the films. __________________ Ú cilith ‘war. Ú men ‘war. Boe min mebi. Boe min bango.

03-07-2005, 07:45 PM	#4
Makar Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oklahom Posts: 44	Speaking of Sam being portayed as dumb...has anyone seen the Ralph Bakshi cartoon of LotR? Sam is...well, special. I don't know why they went out of the way to make him look like the biggest bumpkin ever. Sean Astin's Sam isn't nearly as bad. I never thought of Sam as stupid either, and I felt sorry him because of the kind of class system that made him love and adore Frodo as his Master more than as a friend at times.

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