Movie remakes?

[Saraphim]

The Silmarillion isn't the right material for a movie. It's more suited to a three or four part drama, which is how I'm planning it at the moment. I've seen a lot of great adaptations, all made into fantasy/entertainment dramas of two lengthy parts, and I see the Sil. as being successful in the same style.

Yes, I saw this as well. I doubt it will interest companies enough to pick up on it. The biggest problem is the fact that it has no main character or characters in it during the whole story. And, many of the sub-plots are as long as most movies in the first place.

So, I'm looking at a low-budget business here, but I refuse to do a bad job of it.

[Morsul the Dark]

and that is why youre lucky to have the downs most members would gladly act in a tolkien movie just because of their fandom

[gorthaur_cruel]

I think that the best story from the Silmarillion for a movie is 'Narn i hin Hurin'. It seems to have the best storyline for a movie. The other stories each have these faults:

-Appearance of the Valar
The Valar are the equivelants of gods. They're mysterious, powerful beings. Unless done wonderfully well, I think that they wouldn't be good on film. This rules all much of the beginning of the Silmarillion, the War of Wrath, and Beren/Luthien. If Beren/Luthien does not have the part about Mandos, its whole theme is destroyed. Still, Beren/Luthien tale is the next best after Narn i hin Hurin, IMO.

-No Beginning or Ending
The tales that concern Elves have no clear beginning. Almost all the stories have no ending, as the main bad guy, Morgoth, never dies. However, in Turin's story, the main antagonist can be Glaurung instead of Morgoth. And he dies, along with Turin, so I don't think anybody can dispute about where that story ends.

Turin's story, however, has great potential to be made into a film. Not only does it have a good storyline, it is also the most detailed, having appeared in full in UT.

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by gorthaur_cruel

-Appearance of the Valar
The Valar are the equivelants of gods. They're mysterious, powerful beings. Unless done wonderfully well, I think that they wouldn't be good on film.

You ever
Play Zelda:Majora's masks well the giants that hold the moon in the end...yeah thats how I picture the valar except Eru look kinda of like Aku and Melkor is like a big ape thing....

[Laitoste]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

and that is why youre lucky to have the downs most members would gladly act in a tolkien movie just because of their fandom

That doesn't mean they'll be good...Take me, for example. I love acting, I love movies, and plays, and musicals. But I suck at acting. Really badly. So badly that during a play in which my drama teacher just gave parts, I got the smallest. I had to run across the stage and scream.

Anyway, I'd like to see a remake (or a few). Despite the fact that some parts in the current movie version make me angry, for the most part, it's Peter Jackson's ideas about The Lord of the Rings. I'd like to see other people's ideas.

As for the Sil, I'm quite happy with that NOT being a movie...for now. I can keep all of my own ideas. Though I'm sure you'll do a great job, Saraphim, and of course I'll see it! (That's what's great about the cruel ignoring of Tom Bombadil. No traces of PJ&Co. on him at all!)

[Morsul the Dark]

well that would make it cheaper then some movie producer can be like hey theres a market for this and this guy knows what hes doing lets give him a crew and good actors...and i to fall under like acting but cant, i do voices really well though thats why if i do movies i want to do cartoons

[Encaitare]

I do hope that a Silm movie will be made (best of luck to you, Saraphim, I'm sure it'll be great!) but I'm glad at least I've read the book already and have been able to create my own images of everything (which I unfortunately did not do with FotR and TTT).

True, Narn i Hin Hurin has got everything... even romance! Incestuous, perhaps, but awww... didn't Turin and Nienor make such a lovely couple?

I would love to see the Lay of Leithian made into a movie even more, though, just because it's my favorite.

[Knight of Gondor]

Yeah, if you make a movie, you've got to hold auditions from your fellow BDers!

[Saraphim]

Of course! The BD'ers are all my first pick, both for acting and behind-the-scenes work. I need all the help I can get, especially from fans like you guys.
The Children of Hurin tale is a must, and of course I can't leave out Beren and Luthien, because in addition to being really amazing, it is directly linked to the plot.

Yes, I have been worrying about the Valar, gorthaur_cruel. I simply cannot imagine how to show them, or the Creation of Arda, even though I have a clear picture in my mind about it. Also, you're right about the fact that none of the stories of the Elves have clear beginnings or endings. In fact, the whole book has no clear ending, at least one that can easily be shown in movie form anyway.

Difficulties. Ah well. If I do not find a way, someone will.

[Neferchoirwen]

Originally Posted by Encaitare

I do hope that a Silm movie will be made (best of luck to you, Saraphim, I'm sure it'll be great!) but I'm glad at least I've read the book already and have been able to create my own images of everything (which I unfortunately did not do with FotR and TTT).

True, Narn i Hin Hurin has got everything... even romance! Incestuous, perhaps, but awww... didn't Turin and Nienor make such a lovely couple?

I would love to see the Lay of Leithian made into a movie even more, though, just because it's my favorite.

How about a Silmariliom mini series? For Hallmark? Hallmark gets as close to the books as they can get.

[Encaitare]

ARGH! I had a great list of links to Valar art, and just lost it all. So here it is again. As I was saying ere my ridiculous computer lost the whole thing, I see the Valar as mighty and intimidating yet kindly, and the Valier as beautiful yet strong and gentle. Since they apparently enjoy taking Elvish forms, that's how I would portray them. Here's a bunch of pics I found using a Google image search.

Varda (there are so many pretty ones of her out there!):

http://img-fan.theonering.net/rolozo..._and_manwe.jpg

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mithra...ages/Varda.jpg

http://www.ginevra2000.it/Fantasy/Fairies/Lites1.jpg

Manwe:

http://www.mikeljanin.net/imagepages/Manwe.html

http://img-fan.theonering.net/rolozo...inen/Manwe.jpg

Ulmo (so many cool ones!):

http://img-fan.theonering.net/rolozo...h/sil-ulmo.jpg (my personal fave of Ulmo, I think this is the best I've seen anywhere)

http://img-fan.theonering.net/rolozo...rland/ulmo.jpg

http://www.tlotr.com/fan_art/ulmo_dgovar.jpg

Yavanna:

http://www.mikeljanin.net/imagepages/Yavanna.html (I think this one's perfect for her)

Aule:

http://img-fan.theonering.net/rolozo...kitin/Aule.jpg

http://img-fan.theonering.net/middle...s/aule_tns.jpg

Orome:

http://www.mikeljanin.net/imagepages/Orome.html

Irmo: --

Nienna:

http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/elgaladna/Nienna.JPG

http://img-fan.theonering.net/middle...enna_govar.jpg

Mandos: -- I didn't really see anything that struck my fancy.

Tulkas:

http://img-fan.theonering.net/middle...lkas_govar.jpg

Este:

http://img-fan.theonering.net/rolozo...apiro/Este.jpg

Vaire: -- none

Vana: -- searching for this only found me, let's say, questionable material

Nessa:

http://img-fan.theonering.net/rolozo...piro/Nessa.jpg

And let us not forget Morgoth, the Dark-Lord-formerly-known-as-Vala:

http://img-fan.theonering.net/rolozo...owe/melkor.jpg

http://img-fan.theonering.net/rolozo.../challenge.jpg (Morgoth and Fingolfin)

Some good pictures can be found here: http://fan.theonering.net/middleearthtours/valar.html

Hope some of these aided!

~Encaitare