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Old 07-16-2004, 08:57 AM   #1
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Doesn't the sound you're looking for occur as a J or G in French, in words like "Jacques" and "gentil".
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Old 07-16-2004, 09:41 AM   #2
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I rather like the word 'circle' myself.

Here's something to try: Turn on the radio to a news station. Listen for a while, but don't pay any attention to the meaning of the words, just listen to the sound. I once heard a radio program that was in some language I didn't recognise, and I just listened to it though I couldn't understand one word.
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Old 07-16-2004, 09:48 AM   #3
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Old 07-16-2004, 10:02 AM   #4
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A great English word is 'uvula'. By the way Saucepan, your list of American - English was hilariously suitable for any international discussion.

Despite the Professor's dislike of anything to do with France, I have to stick up for the country and say that French is the most delightful language to listen to.


(edited to add) Sorry Estelyn, I posted right at the same time as you, meaning no disrespect of course. As we're speaking of language I thought here would be as good a place as any to ask why Tolkien, as a linguist, disliked France so much, the land of such a beautiful language.
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Old 07-16-2004, 10:08 AM   #5
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Old 07-16-2004, 11:59 AM   #6
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As the Sylvia to my Ted is actually an Emily, I am very much familiar with the difficulties in certain trans-Atlantic translations. Neither of us are entirely sure how we respectively used to pronounce the word 'garage'.

I am also a 'devotee' of the afore-mentioned French 'j' sound for instance as occasioned by the vocalisation of 'occasionally'; this sound in phonetics is traditionally denoted by 'zh'.

And yes, I am rather smug about my trans-atlantic-poet description of my lady's terrible American affliction.

On a more Tolkien related note, I agree with the above comment questioning why, as JRRT so clearly loved the soft 'ce' of the word 'cellar', he hardened the names of such luminaries as Celeborn. To give it a more 'authentic' Celtic feel, one imagines, but I cannot help but feel slight regret whenever I hear Celeborn said this way; I too am more in favour of the softer sound. Ah well. You can't hear me saying it!
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Old 07-16-2004, 01:27 PM   #7
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Interesting, the Professor's fascination to 'cellar door'; the first time I hear of this, so thanks a lot, Lalaith for bringing it up! If you still wonder what could Tolkien have found so beautiful about it, try saying it aloud a few times, over and over, until it's devoid of meaning and you register only it 'melody'.

On the pronunciation of 'Celeborn': I must agree with those of you that say pronouncing it with a hard 'k' is not that pleasant to the ear. In my language, the combination of letters 'ce' is pronounced like the 'che' in 'chestnut', so I find myself always pronouncing it that way.
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this is a rather nice article
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