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Elros chose to be Edain and the Mortal way, so all this offspring were mortal with no choice, but were blessed with extended years.
Elrond chose to be Eldar, and it was given to his offspring, Elladan, Elrohir, & Arwen, the same choice. from what we know, it extended no further down the bloodline since we don't know if the sons of Elrond ever got married, and Arwen wed a mortal and freely gave up her immortality. Hence their kids were mortals blessed with long life. I would stick with the Appendix vs anything Christopher Tolkien put out. |
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Not quite. Only Elrond and Elros were allowed to choose to which kindred they'd belong. The fate of Elrond's children was decided by whether they chose to go with him into the West or remain in Middle-earth. I've gone into this in more detail here.
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It gives them a choice, but it's not the same one that Elrond and Elros were given. Elladan, Elrohir and Arwen can go with Elrond beyond the circles of the world or remain in Middle-earth and live a mortal life. Where they are determines what happens to them, whereas Elrond had the fate of the Elves wherever he was, just as Elros was mortal wherever he happened to be living.
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I am now a bit confused... (and i need clarification... SQUATTER!)
Are the children of Elrond able to live the life of the Eldar only when around Elrond? Is it the physical movement away from Elrond that causes them to become truly mortal, or the idea of the movement? Or for that matter, has it been decided whether they actually do live an immortal life?? These are vastly important thing to verify before actually confronting the issue of the choices they do or do not make! For example, I was always under the impression that the choice made by Elros and Elrond was doubly important... it wasn't just themselves they were choosing for, but their bloodlines! Therefore, it wasn't the fact that Arwen didn't pass into the West with her dad that caused her to lose her immortality, but was her choice to wed a mortal and die with him. Is it written how the twins fared up? One can only assume that they either went Westwards with their father in the party that Frodo departed in, or tarried in Middle Earth, and were either destroyed or lived on until the end of the Elves in some other kingdom. It is simply put out... Line of Elros = mortal Line of Elrond = immortal I dont' think those in either house had any choice in the matter!!
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The letter alluded to above is #153 (September 1954), which is a draft. In it Tolkien says
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