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A Shade of Westernesse
Join Date: May 2004
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Gandalf 'died' on the 25th of January and was brought to Lothlórien by Gwaihir on the 17th of February. Assuming Gandalf was reborn on the day that Gwaihir bore him to Caras Galadhon, his 'reformation' took a grand total of twenty-three days.
But I'm guessing that was more of a rhetorical question, Bêthberry. Quote:
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Now I will my attempt to answer the question with a few questions of my own (I have been doing it alot lately): How would Gollum have known that Sauron lost a finger to begin with? and why should we trust what that Stinker says anyway?
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) for Gandalf to return in physical form, albeit clothesless. He just had to be hefted to Lorien where he could get him some clothes. (You stop imagining Gandalf in Lorien without clothes! That's an order!)
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Banshee of Camelot
Join Date: May 2002
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In letter #246 Tolkien wrote about Sauron's bodily form in the time of the War of the Ring:
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. Why should he make up this detail about the missing finger? And I don't think he would use this as a metapher.In this quote from letter #200, Tolkien writes explicitly about Sauron's taking shape. Quote:
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But I'm curious as to how many times he can be killed? It's like he has constantly renewable forms he can take, but there comes a point when he can no longer assume a fair form, such as after Numenor. If that's so, how did the Ring's demise cause him to lose form? I know much of his power was in it (some say his very blood) but why does this cause him to fade beyond reckoning? Where did his spirit go? Do mortals have the power to thrust Maia into the Void?
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I hope that helps.
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Hungry Ghoul
Join Date: Jun 2000
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Gandalf returned because he was sent back by an order higher than his own power to reincarnate and higher than the Valar; he wandered 'beyond space and time', after all.
Sauron lost his ability to assume new forms, including after the destruction of a current one, when he fully incarnated himself to forge the Ring. Before that he was just fine, albeit perhaps diminished in power to an unknown degree. |
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Blithe Spirit
Join Date: Jan 2003
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What about Balrogs? They were Maia too...did they come back after being dispatched (by Gandalf, or by Glorfindel at Gondolin etc)
And as for mortals not killing Maia, wasn't Saruman (Maia) killed by Wormtongue (mortal man)? |
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