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Old 05-25-2004, 01:57 PM   #1
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Now...a word in my defense! Contrary to how it may appear, I had nothing to do with the sad ending of aforementioned Gurus. It was purely coincidental. Many of my former teachers are still living and are in at least partial command of their faculties
Yeah, yeah, right! As they say in my profession, the circumstancial evidence tends to establish...

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Old 05-25-2004, 02:10 PM   #2
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The only real contribution it made is that it was among the first of the 'new' generation of work on Tolkien (post 1970s) that attempted to deal with the real importance of the female characters in LotR.
There were female character's in LoTR?! I had to say that you know. Sorry, you can pelt me with those stones now!
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Old 05-25-2004, 02:25 PM   #3
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Old 05-25-2004, 02:35 PM   #4
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Old 05-26-2004, 04:54 AM   #5
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Believe me, I have no qualms whatsoever with the way Tolkien wrote LoTR and am quite content with the representatives that are there.

Just being a trouble maker!
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Old 05-26-2004, 07:32 AM   #6
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Speaking of women in LotR...

Since LotR is such a male-bonding sort of adventure, I have always thought it would be interesting to create an RPG or Fan Fic centered around women, almost a mirroring adventure that takes place at the same time as the events chronicled in LotR. I first got the idea from a line out of Isak Dinesen when she talks about how men are are constantly being tested for courage, etc, while women are tested for their abilities to wait & endure. Then I read Carolyn Cassady's "Off The Road", which was the feminine flipside of Jack Kerouac's adventures "On The Road", which really set me to thinking.

In a traditionally male-dominated culture, women are kind of unseen in that most of the time they operate in the background and below the radarscope, so to speak, of men. With this in mind, I have been mentally debating how to develop the notion of a "mirror fellowship" of women for quite a while now, where they are not tested in their ability to wait and endure, but for their abilities to succeed at their given adventure.

On the other hand, it would be interesting to explore the "wait & endure" side of things, too, say from the POV of Rosie in The Shire.
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Old 05-26-2004, 08:48 AM   #7
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Warning: What follows is a VERY politically incorrect parody of Ealasaide's suggested RPG. Apologies in advance, but I couldn't resist.

Rosie Cotton's Secret Diary

September 23, 3018: Sam has gone off with Frodo to set up his household in Buckland. Hope he comes back soon...

October 23, 3018: Still waiting for Sam to return...

October 24, 3018: Still waiting for Sam to return...

October 25, 3018: Still waiting for Sam to return. Darn that Frodo anyway...

November 25, 3018: Knitted Sam new pair of socks as a present. When will he come back...

December 25, 3018: Still waiting...

January 25, 3019: Still waiting...

February 25, 3019: Still waiting for Sam to come back. Ran into Ted Sandyman at the Green Dragon. He said that by now Sam has probably been eaten by some combination of dragons, tree-men, goblins or trolls. Then he asked me out...

February 26, 3019: Hand still bruised where punched Sandyman in the nose. Sam better come back soon.

March 1, 3019: Lotho Pimple now running Shire. Hope he doesn't ask me out. Where is Sam?

March 20, 3019: Lotho Pimple has taken up with Ted Sandyman. Knew there was something strange about those two...

March 30, 3019: Something starnge going on in the Shire. Lotho is bringing in loads of strange men to "Help him run the Shire". Darn pervy Sackville-Baggins...

June 1, 3019: Lobelia arrested. Maybe Lotho not all bad. Where is Sam. Biological clock is ticking..

July 20, 3019: Tick, tick, tick...

September 1, 3019: Finally gave in and went out with Sandyman. He promised me Ring of Power. Told him to stuff it. Can't abide his dirty hands. Very tired of waiting for Sam...

November 1, 3019: Sam finally back! Too busy rousing Shire to spend time with me.

November 2, 3019: Sam still rousing Shire. Tick, tick, tick...

November 3, 3019: Big Boss dealt with. Sam now too busy "setting things straight" to spend time with me...

December 20, 3019: Sam still busy running Shire. Wonder where Sandyman is?

April 6, 3020: Sam crowing about pretty tree in Party Field. If he doesn't spend some time with me soon, I'll whack him with a branch...

May 1, 3020: Married Sam! Yay me!

September 21, 3021: Sam off with Frodo again. Beginning to wonder...

November 7, 3027: Sam elected mayor. I have a bad feeling about this...

December 1, 3042: Have 12 children now. Sam still mayor. Working late tonight running the Shire. Hamfast, Daisy and Primrose have the chicken pox. Bilbo, Ruby and Robin have colds. Elanor out on date. Have to feed and put various and sundry kids to sleep alone again. Should have married rich miller's son, Sandyman...
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