subtle references to the book - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lord Syslox of Emyn Beverli · 08-28-2002, 07:31 PM

Okay so maybe some of these aren't that subtle. I'm looking for references that have little to do with the plot and are mainly intended to please die hard fans of the book.- Gandalf and Bilbo singing "The Road goes ever on and on..."- Chapter titles as lines: "A long-expected party", " Riddles in the dark", "Shortcut to mushrooms".- Maps of the Shire and the Lonely Mountain when (in Bilbo's study and his book in Rivendell).- The Stone Trolls from the Hobbit (when Frodo is beggining to fade, right before Arwen finds them).- The Ring whispering "Elessar" when it tempts Aragorn on Amon Hen.- Aragorn's battle cry of "Elendil" when he jumps down onto the orcs from Amon Hen.Anyone spot any more

Liriodendron · 08-28-2002, 08:36 PM

Good question! This will get us thinking. Maybe Farmer Maggot's scythe???

Davin · 08-28-2002, 08:48 PM

Gandalf's speach to Frodo. "So do all who live to see such times...etc." Although it takes place in a different part of the book, it is very much the same.

Melkor the Morgoth · 08-29-2002, 08:24 AM

The scene where Bilbo and Gandalf are smoking, and Bilbo blows a smoke ring and Gandalf blows a ship made out of smoke wich floats through the ring and than both dissolve into thin air. That scene is taken directly from the Hobbit

08-30-2002, 12:37 AM

I mentioned this in another thread. The ring changes size when held up by Isildur. great. Legalos at the doors of Moria he's standing right up under one of those elven trees. Thought that was so great because of Legalos's fear of going into the mines. Oh yeah, the Watcher wraps its tentacles around those trees and pulls them down. Oops got abit carried away [ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: Eleventy1-tipsy-hobbits ]

the mortal elf · 09-01-2002, 04:07 PM

this is way subtle, but I think it still counts. When Bilbo's running around Bag End looking for food he says, "oh, we've got some cold chicken and pickles." or something like that. In The Hobbit at the unexpected party, Gandalf asks Bilbo to bring out the cold chicken and pickles and it annoys Bilbo because it seemed that Gandalf knew the inside of his pantries better than he did.Also, in the fight between the forces of Mordor and the last alliance of elves and men, there is an elf there with a spear that it does a short close up of. It could of been Gil-Galad and his famed spear Aiglos, or maybe I'm just dreaming.

09-02-2002, 08:44 PM

Boromir's horn is shown cloven in two during the fight on Amon Hen.

Gayalondiel · 09-03-2002, 02:25 AM

When the balrog shows up, the camera work lays emphasis on Legolas' look of terror. Although he doesn't actually identify the Balrog, its a nice way of suggesting he's seen them before.

Arwen Imladris · 09-03-2002, 01:15 PM

I thought that legolas walking on the snow was very good, a lot of people didn't notice the first time they saw it.

Dimaldaeon · 09-03-2002, 01:55 PM

Yes mortal elf that was Gil-Galad at the Last Allience (although he should have blonde hair)

Mattius · 09-03-2002, 03:21 PM

gil-galad, i didnt see that bit but i have the video, where EXACTLY does he appear?

Lord Syslox of Emyn Beverli · 09-04-2002, 04:47 PM

I'm not sure exactly where Gil-galad is during the battle, but i think he is the one shown right before Elendil (holding Narsil above his head) when the line is "victory was near, but the power of the ring could not be undone".(I assume) he is the one who knocks down an orc, then turns his spear upside down and rams it down on the orc with a very satisfied grunt. (then Elendil with Narsil is shown and the line above is spoken...)

Losthuniel · 09-04-2002, 05:34 PM

No, they did it right, gil-gald should have dark hair. Galadriel wa the only one of the house of Finwe(well, actually,all the noldor) to have blonde hair

Mattius · 09-05-2002, 02:40 PM

i remember another lil subtle reference to the book, where sauraman is talking about moria and looks at the picture of the door, which is exactly the same as in the book, and also the picture of the balrog, which is in my publication of the book!

Lady_Báin · 09-07-2002, 08:38 PM

woooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh wait wait wait "seen". Had legolas seen a balrog before? yeah i know its of topic.In amon hen they sort of show that it is the chair of "seeing" because frodo sees barad dur from that seat.

09-08-2002, 12:19 PM

The Battle between Gandalf and the Balrog was the same as in the book.. The Balrog first swinging whit a sword and then whit a whip, and of course Gandalf saying: "Run!! You Fools!!"

Melkor the Morgoth · 09-08-2002, 02:12 PM

First of all he says "Fly you fools", not "run..."second of all <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Galadriel waS the only one of the house of FinwË(well, actually,all the NNNoldor) to have blonde hair <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>all members of Finarfin's house had golden hair you nitwit. Oh and I correctect some spelling

Firondoiel · 09-11-2002, 03:58 PM

Lady_Báin, my belief is that Legolas had not seen a balrog before yet he knew what it was because in the Silmarillion the elf Glorfindel battled and killed a balrog so that was a story that was probably very popular with the elves. That's what I think anyone agree/disagree?

Ithaeliel · 09-11-2002, 04:52 PM

As the Fellowship leaves Lothlorien, the background music contains the first line and a half from Galadriel's Lament.

08-28-2002, 07:31 PM	#1
Lord Syslox of Emyn Beverli Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tol Hardor Posts: 15	subtle references to the book Okay so maybe some of these aren't that subtle. I'm looking for references that have little to do with the plot and are mainly intended to please die hard fans of the book.<P>- Gandalf and Bilbo singing "The Road goes ever on and on..."<P>- Chapter titles as lines: "A long-expected party", " Riddles in the dark", "Shortcut to mushrooms".<P>- Maps of the Shire and the Lonely Mountain when (in Bilbo's study and his book in Rivendell).<P>- The Stone Trolls from the Hobbit (when Frodo is beggining to fade, right before Arwen finds them).<P>- The Ring whispering "Elessar" when it tempts Aragorn on Amon Hen.<P>- Aragorn's battle cry of "Elendil" when he jumps down onto the orcs from Amon Hen.<P>Anyone spot any more __________________ "Do not scorn pity that is the gift of a gentle heart" - Faramir to Eowyn. "A warrior should have more skills and knowlegde than only the craft of weapons and slaying" - Faramir

08-28-2002, 08:36 PM	#2
Liriodendron Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 527	Good question! This will get us thinking. Maybe Farmer Maggot's scythe??? __________________ http://www.lizmargason.com

08-28-2002, 08:48 PM	#3
Davin Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 166	Gandalf's speach to Frodo. "So do all who live to see such times...etc."<BR>Although it takes place in a different part of the book, it is very much the same. __________________ So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. »»The Telmena««

08-29-2002, 08:24 AM	#4
Melkor the Morgoth Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the Void Posts: 12	The scene where Bilbo and Gandalf are smoking, and Bilbo blows a smoke ring and Gandalf blows a ship made out of smoke wich floats through the ring and than both dissolve into thin air. That scene is taken directly from the Hobbit __________________ insert funny frase here

08-30-2002, 12:37 AM	#5
Eleventy1-tipsy-hobbits Guest Posts: n/a	I mentioned this in another thread. The ring changes size when held up by Isildur. great. <BR>Legalos at the doors of Moria he's standing right up under one of those elven trees. Thought that was so great because of Legalos's fear of going into the mines. Oh yeah, the Watcher wraps its tentacles around those trees and pulls them down.<BR>Oops got abit carried away <p>[ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: Eleventy1-tipsy-hobbits ]

09-01-2002, 04:07 PM	#6
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	this is way subtle, but I think it still counts. When Bilbo's running around Bag End looking for food he says, "oh, we've got some cold chicken and pickles." or something like that. In The Hobbit at the unexpected party, Gandalf asks Bilbo to bring out the cold chicken and pickles and it annoys Bilbo because it seemed that Gandalf knew the inside of his pantries better than he did.<P>Also, in the fight between the forces of Mordor and the last alliance of elves and men, there is an elf there with a spear that it does a short close up of. It could of been Gil-Galad and his famed spear Aiglos, or maybe I'm just dreaming. __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

09-02-2002, 08:44 PM	#7
Finandriel Guest Posts: n/a	Boromir's horn is shown cloven in two during the fight on Amon Hen.

09-03-2002, 02:25 AM	#8
Gayalondiel Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: My own little wierd, wierd world Posts: 133	When the balrog shows up, the camera work lays emphasis on Legolas' look of terror. Although he doesn't actually identify the Balrog, its a nice way of suggesting he's seen them before. __________________ Not another ****ing Elf! ~C.S.Lewis

09-03-2002, 01:15 PM	#9
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	I thought that legolas walking on the snow was very good, a lot of people didn't notice the first time they saw it. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

09-03-2002, 01:55 PM	#10
Dimaldaeon Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ireland & damn proud of it. Posts: 125	Yes mortal elf that was Gil-Galad at the Last Allience (although he should have blonde hair) __________________ Dear Saddam, Do not disunderestimate me.Yours G.W.Bush You're not drunk if you can still hold onto a blade of grass to stop yourself from falling off the face of the Earth

09-03-2002, 03:21 PM	#11
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	gil-galad, i didnt see that bit but i have the video, where EXACTLY does he appear? __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

09-04-2002, 04:47 PM	#12
Lord Syslox of Emyn Beverli Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tol Hardor Posts: 15	I'm not sure exactly where Gil-galad is during the battle, but i think he is the one shown right before Elendil (holding Narsil above his head) when the line is "victory was near, but the power of the ring could not be undone".<P>(I assume) he is the one who knocks down an orc, then turns his spear upside down and rams it down on the orc with a very satisfied grunt. (then Elendil with Narsil is shown and the line above is spoken...) __________________ "Do not scorn pity that is the gift of a gentle heart" - Faramir to Eowyn. "A warrior should have more skills and knowlegde than only the craft of weapons and slaying" - Faramir

09-04-2002, 05:34 PM	#13
Losthuniel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Helcaraxë- aka Canada Posts: 261	No, they did it right, gil-gald should have dark hair. Galadriel wa the only one of the house of Finwe(well, actually,all the noldor) to have blonde hair __________________ ~* Losthuniel "Lord, what fools these mortals be!" Puck, Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream Abhorsen's House -- Lirael/Sabriel fanboard

09-05-2002, 02:40 PM	#14
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	i remember another lil subtle reference to the book, where sauraman is talking about moria and looks at the picture of the door, which is exactly the same as in the book, and also the picture of the balrog, which is in my publication of the book! __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

09-07-2002, 08:38 PM	#15
Lady_Báin Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Peterborough, England Posts: 250	woooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh<BR>wait wait wait "seen". Had legolas seen a balrog before? yeah i know its of topic.<P>In amon hen they sort of show that it is the chair of "seeing" because frodo sees barad dur from that seat. __________________ pæling.

09-08-2002, 12:19 PM	#16
the_lord_of_change Guest Posts: n/a	The Battle between Gandalf and the Balrog was the same as in the book.. The Balrog first swinging whit a sword and then whit a whip, and of course Gandalf saying: "Run!! You Fools!!"

09-08-2002, 02:12 PM	#17
Melkor the Morgoth Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the Void Posts: 12	First of all he says "Fly you fools", not "run..."<P>second of all <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Galadriel waS the only one of the house of FinwË(well, actually,all the NNNoldor) to have blonde hair<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>all members of Finarfin's house had golden hair you nitwit. Oh and I correctect some spelling __________________ insert funny frase here

09-11-2002, 03:58 PM	#18
Firondoiel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 571	Lady_Báin, my belief is that Legolas had not seen a balrog before yet he knew what it was because in the Silmarillion the elf Glorfindel battled and killed a balrog so that was a story that was probably very popular with the elves. That's what I think anyone agree/disagree? __________________ "Forth, and fear no darkness. Arise. Arise, Riders of Théoden. Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered. A sword day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now! Ride now! Ride! Ride for ruin and the world's ending!"

09-11-2002, 04:52 PM	#19
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 710	As the Fellowship leaves Lothlorien, the background music contains the first line and a half from Galadriel's Lament. __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

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