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Old 02-15-2001, 02:14 PM   #36
Mister Underhill
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<blockquote>Quote:<hr> from October 24-26, 2000 regarding whether Dwarves grew their own crops/tended animals willingly <hr></blockquote>Not willingly, but what about in times of need? Also in the course of those arguments Saulotus pointed out that the Men of the Alliance to the east &quot;were diminished and scattered, and those that lingered on in their old regions were impoverished, and lived mostly in caves or in the borders of the Forest.&quot; This doesn't sound like the basis for a trading partner that would be sending large volumes of foodstuffs to the East Gate. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> I also came across a post by Sir Underhill conceding that the Dwarves traded to the East, at least after Eregion was laid waste. In my profession, this is known as either a &quot;prior inconsistent statement&quot; or an &quot;admission&quot;. <hr></blockquote>Trying to catch me with your lawyer tricks, eh? &quot;You can't handle the truth!&quot; <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> If we could have the court reporter read back from the record, you'd see that I conceded that the Dwarves may have traded to the east, but I didn't say the traded exclusively to the east, nor that this was their sole source of food. Plus, now that I have a few more resources to draw from, I can make more informed arguments. And anyway, as Walt Whitman said, &quot;Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself (I am large, I contain multitudes).&quot; <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Advocates have dredged up both logic-based and text-based arguments regarding the existence of additional entrances to Moria on the East side. <hr></blockquote>I haven't seen any text-based support of additional entrances/exits. Indeed, the bulk of the textual evidence seems to support a single gate theory.


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