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Peri · 02-26-2003, 03:29 PM

I was just thinking to myself about Arwen and Aragorn. Since Aragorn is a human, and Arwen is one of the peredhil, what would their children be like? What would their lifespans be? Would they maybe have pointed ears? Would they be more elf-like or more human? Just curious. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Legolas · 02-27-2003, 01:09 AM

Very much human.

Rimbaud · 02-27-2003, 09:09 AM

What about Dior?

Maerbenn · 02-27-2003, 09:44 AM

100% mortal but not 100% Man. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Orald · 02-27-2003, 10:50 AM

You rascal you, Rimbaud.

littlemanpoet · 02-27-2003, 11:05 AM

Tolkien never said whether his Elves, or Hobbits, for that matter, had pointed ears.

Maybe they would have the same choice as did Elrond and Elros - and Arwen and Elrond...?

mark12_30 · 02-27-2003, 11:16 AM

Actually, in Letters, he definitely stated that hobbits have pointed ears.

GaladrieloftheOlden · 02-27-2003, 11:38 AM

And, at some point, he said that Elves have leaf-shaped ears. They may not be pointed leaves though. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Lady Alasse · 02-28-2003, 08:27 PM

I agree with Maerbenn. completly Mortal but maybe not completely Human. probably a lot taller than most humans and a longer life span. Remember Elros had a much longer life span than most even though he chose mortality.

Kalimac · 03-03-2003, 02:13 PM

Mortal. But still very long-lived; Aragorn himself could expect a lifespan of about 300 years, and of course they come of a long-lived family on their mother's side [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. But no, they would get Aragorn's lifespan - substantial, but certainly not immortal.

Galadriel, now I'm trying to think of leaves that *aren't* pointy. I can't think of any. Of course, there are some pretty bizarre shapes out there but I don't think Tolkien meant that Elves had ears like maple leaves...ouch...

Estanesse · 03-03-2003, 02:52 PM

Think mortal because both his parents were mortal at the time he was born.

He would be more men-like. But would he have a beard?

[img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Ailios · 03-03-2003, 03:02 PM

I always thought Dior was an elf.

dragoneyes · 03-03-2003, 03:20 PM

Do Elves not grow beards then?

Scott · 03-03-2003, 03:46 PM

I'm not sure if an elf would have a beard or not. I've certainly never pictured one with a beard (except for maybe Cirdan due to his age). But I'm sure at least some facial hair would be apparent on them (well, let's hope not on the females [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]!).

Estanesse · 03-03-2003, 03:51 PM

It some ware mentioned in the UT that the line of Dol Amroth had elvish trademarks.
And one of those trademarks is about elves having no beard.

Ailios · 03-04-2003, 03:47 PM

Cirdan did have a beard for sure. I think there has been a thread discussing this topic. Accor4ding to some source, I think it is the Osanwe-Kenta, elves could grow beard when they were in their 3rd cycle of life, whatever that means. Another theory appear in David Day's book from 1978, don't remember the name. There is a picture of Cirdan and some elves from Falas, all having small beards (!). But Day is usually wrong.
There is also a picture by Tolkien of Beleg with something that might be a beard.

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-06-2003, 03:02 AM

Yes-most Elves grow beards in theri third stage I think that Tolkien mentions that Mahtan, father of Nerdanel was an execption to this, he could grow a beard in his second. Plus he had reddish-brown hair. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] As did Nerdanel, Maedhros, Amrod and Amras and problably others.

burrahobbit · 03-06-2003, 03:17 AM

Elf = Human

The offspring of Aragorn and Arwen would have been all the way Man, because Arwen chose to me a Man. They probably lived a really long time, though.

***Sharkû*** · 03-06-2003, 08:27 AM

Our FAQ article on Half-Elven Mortality

Our FAQ article on Elven beards

Iarwain · 05-11-2003, 06:59 PM

Arwen chose to be a man, did she Burra? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Iarwain

Gorwingel · 05-11-2003, 09:47 PM

Now here is an interesting question...
When Elrond and Elros were born did they both have pointy ears?
And if they didn't did immeditately after Elrond decided to be an Elf for the rest of time did his ears grow pointy?
Or is it up to our imaginations?

(I could be totally off topic, but it is just something that I thought of while reading all of this, even though most of you were talking about beards)

[ May 12, 2003: Message edited by: Gorwingel ]

Legolas · 05-12-2003, 10:53 AM

Since no one can decide whether full elves have pointy ears, it's impossible to answer that question.

GaladrieloftheOlden · 05-12-2003, 11:57 AM

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Do Elves not grow beards then?

At least from D&D, I don't know if this was actualy in Tolkien, it said that Half-Elves can have beards, but no face hair for the full-Elves.

~Menelien

Son of Fire · 05-12-2003, 01:43 PM

ARWEN CHOSE TO BE A MAN??!! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] how does that work? i mean, if she chose ot be mortal, or a woman, but a man! sex change with the choice of elrond, I just don't get it, or maybe I'm makihng fun of you. Anyway, it appears that Cirdan had a beard, it says so in the appendix to LotR and in letters, and i think in UT, but I'm not sure.

lore_master · 05-12-2003, 02:53 PM

when elrond, frodo and co. met cirdan in the last chapter of RotK it says that cirdan had silver/white hair,and a long silvery beard.

GaladrieloftheOlden · 05-12-2003, 03:08 PM

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ARWEN CHOSE TO BE A MAN??!!

Man as in the race, human, not the gender. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

~Menelien

Son of Fire · 05-13-2003, 11:16 AM

yeah, that was a joke. Anyway, as for the beards, I believe that beards are a sex-linked trait and that would vcome from their father who had a beard because women almost never have facioal hair, so they probably would have had facial hair like ther father. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Ainaserkewen · 05-13-2003, 01:49 PM

Reply to original post:

I did a project in science on the genetics of having poity ears. Only it was on Vulcans, not elves.
But I also think that their children would be very human, and have long lives, but not nearly as long as Aragorn's.

Ardolon · 06-20-2003, 12:02 AM

I think Eldarion would have a very long lifespan. 300-350 years or so. After all, Elros chose to be a man, and he live to what, 400, 500 years? And he was only Arwen's uncle, whereas he's more removed from Aragorn, but Aragorn still gets a huge lifespan.

Aredhel Idril Telcontar · 06-20-2003, 06:03 AM

Hail and well met, Ardolon. Have fun being dead [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]. I think that Eldarion and his siblings would have had a longer lifespan than Aragorn's because their mother was still Elven. She chose mortality, but her *pointy* ears didn't disappear.
But if a full Elf and a Human had a child, would that child be mortal or immortal? Or would s/he have a right to choose?

Morwen Tindomerel · 06-20-2003, 09:27 AM

Somewhere in HoME Tolkien has Manwe state that any person with Mortal blood, no matter how much, is automatically subject to the Gift of Men 'unless given another doom'.

The power to choose between the Gift and immortality was a special grace appointed to Earendil and Elwing, their children and Elrond's children for certain. I doubt it would have been extended to Arwen and Aragorn's children. It certainly was not granted to Half-Elven of other lines, (such as the Princes of Dol Amroth).

Dior was thus Mortal, though he undoubtedly would have proved very long lived had he not have been murdered by the Sons of Feanor.

Half-Elven combine the traits and gifts of Men and Elves. The choice effects only their ultimate destiny it does not change their hybrid nature. Thus Arwen would not loose her pointy ears, (assuming she has them) or the powers inherited from her Elven ancestors.

Aragorn, dispite the many generations seperating him from Elros, retains a number of Elvish traits including his power of healing. Though undoubtedly Mortal the same will certainly be true of his children by Arwen.

Ardolon · 06-20-2003, 11:59 AM

Thanks, I am having fun being dead. Anyway, even for those that have a choice, like Arwen, the choice of mortality applies to all your decendents, as well as yourself. Thus the kings of Numenor after Elros were mortal, because his choice was irrevocable. Now if Arwen had chosen to be of Elf kind, but still married Aragon then Eldarion may well have had a choice. Then again, he is a decendent of Elros, so he might not have, either. I'm not sure.

StarJewel · 06-29-2003, 04:57 PM

They would have been mortal, and long lived. They would probably also be way more beautiful than normal men

Finwe · 06-29-2003, 05:01 PM

I don't think that Arwen would have married Aragorn if she had chosen to remain "Elfkind." Elves consider marriage a very holy thing. The death of a spouse usually results in the fading or the death of the surviving spouse. Aragorn would have eventually died, or Arwen would have eventually had to sail West, and that would have definitely killed her, considering how much she loved Aragorn.

Helkahothion · 06-30-2003, 06:46 AM

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Anyway, even for those that have a choice, like Arwen, the choice of mortality applies to all your decendents, as well as yourself.

Nope, Elrond chose to be elfish, his father made a choise to, so did Arwen. It is weird that it stopped with Arwen anyway. I think it's because Elrond and his father married elvesn and Arwen a mortal men. The lifespan was between 300-400. Could be more. I think that you could compare him with the men from Numenor. Taller than regular, living longer than man these days.

As for the beards, the only elf known in ME was Cirdan. A beard with an elf is a choise. If it is in their genes, they can choose for one, but they can also keep a smooth chin.

They would have ended up married anyway. Their love was too strong. If Arwen chose Immortalety, they would have married anyway. Love conquers all.

Abedithon le,

Anuion

Elentári · 06-30-2003, 12:56 PM

hmm well wot i find interesting here is the assumption that aragorn (or is it dior ur talking about?) has a lifespan of 300-350yrs...well obviously he didnt, cos he felt old age coming upon him at about 210 (or 190, it differs depending on lookin in the tale of aragorn and arwen - i think, i can remember- or looking at the timeline, im going by the timeline) and gave up his life. and its dwindling, so his children i think will have even shorter lives, tho obviously longer than those of ordinary mortals

Finwe · 07-01-2003, 02:48 PM

I think the same thing will happen with Aragorn's descendants as what happened with the descendants of the Numenoreans. Their lifespans steadily decreased, and I think the same thing will happen with Aragorn's descendants until their lifespans are the same as normal Men.

02-26-2003, 03:29 PM	#1
Peri Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 124	The children of the king and queen I was just thinking to myself about Arwen and Aragorn. Since Aragorn is a human, and Arwen is one of the peredhil, what would their children be like? What would their lifespans be? Would they maybe have pointed ears? Would they be more elf-like or more human? Just curious. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ "Ah, but I'll begowk ye there!" cried the gentleman. "Play me false, and I'll play you cunning."

02-27-2003, 01:09 AM	#2
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Very much human. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

02-27-2003, 09:09 AM	#3
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	What about Dior? __________________ And all the rest is literature

02-27-2003, 11:16 AM	#7
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Actually, in Letters, he definitely stated that hobbits have pointed ears. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

02-27-2003, 11:38 AM	#8
GaladrieloftheOlden Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Massachusetts - digging up a bottomless hole, searching for something that's not there... Posts: 1,514	And, at some point, he said that Elves have leaf-shaped ears. They may not be pointed leaves though. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ "Glue... very powerful stuff."

02-27-2003, 09:44 AM	#4
Maerbenn Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 59	100% mortal but not 100% Man. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

02-27-2003, 10:50 AM	#5
Orald Shadow of Malice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: right behind you Posts: 843	You rascal you, Rimbaud.

02-27-2003, 11:05 AM	#6
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Tolkien never said whether his Elves, or Hobbits, for that matter, had pointed ears. Maybe they would have the same choice as did Elrond and Elros - and Arwen and Elrond...?

02-28-2003, 08:27 PM	#9
Lady Alasse Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Gondolin, Middle Earth Posts: 103	I agree with Maerbenn. completly Mortal but maybe not completely Human. probably a lot taller than most humans and a longer life span. Remember Elros had a much longer life span than most even though he chose mortality. __________________ He teacheth my hands to war; so that a bow of steel is broken by my arms.-II Samuel 22:35

03-03-2003, 02:13 PM	#10
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	Mortal. But still very long-lived; Aragorn himself could expect a lifespan of about 300 years, and of course they come of a long-lived family on their mother's side [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. But no, they would get Aragorn's lifespan - substantial, but certainly not immortal. Galadriel, now I'm trying to think of leaves that aren't pointy. I can't think of any. Of course, there are some pretty bizarre shapes out there but I don't think Tolkien meant that Elves had ears like maple leaves...ouch... __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

03-03-2003, 02:52 PM	#11
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	Think mortal because both his parents were mortal at the time he was born. He would be more men-like. But would he have a beard? [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

03-03-2003, 03:02 PM	#12
Ailios Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Forochel Posts: 28	I always thought Dior was an elf. __________________ Ailios

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dragoneyes Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Completely lost track, sorry! Posts: 733	Do Elves not grow beards then? __________________ "We might succeed in roasting Pippin alive inside." - Frodo.

03-03-2003, 03:46 PM	#14
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	I'm not sure if an elf would have a beard or not. I've certainly never pictured one with a beard (except for maybe Cirdan due to his age). But I'm sure at least some facial hair would be apparent on them (well, let's hope not on the females [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]!). __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks

03-03-2003, 03:51 PM	#15
Estanesse Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: somewhere far away Posts: 561	It some ware mentioned in the UT that the line of Dol Amroth had elvish trademarks. And one of those trademarks is about elves having no beard. __________________ Since there is no time like the present, I thought it was time to present the present.

03-04-2003, 03:47 PM	#16
Ailios Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Forochel Posts: 28	Cirdan did have a beard for sure. I think there has been a thread discussing this topic. Accor4ding to some source, I think it is the Osanwe-Kenta, elves could grow beard when they were in their 3rd cycle of life, whatever that means. Another theory appear in David Day's book from 1978, don't remember the name. There is a picture of Cirdan and some elves from Falas, all having small beards (!). But Day is usually wrong. There is also a picture by Tolkien of Beleg with something that might be a beard. __________________ Ailios

03-06-2003, 03:02 AM	#17
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Yes-most Elves grow beards in theri third stage I think that Tolkien mentions that Mahtan, father of Nerdanel was an execption to this, he could grow a beard in his second. Plus he had reddish-brown hair. [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] As did Nerdanel, Maedhros, Amrod and Amras and problably others. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

03-06-2003, 03:17 AM	#18
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	Elf = Human The offspring of Aragorn and Arwen would have been all the way Man, because Arwen chose to me a Man. They probably lived a really long time, though. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

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05-11-2003, 06:59 PM	#20
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05-11-2003, 09:47 PM	#21
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	Now here is an interesting question... When Elrond and Elros were born did they both have pointy ears? And if they didn't did immeditately after Elrond decided to be an Elf for the rest of time did his ears grow pointy? Or is it up to our imaginations? (I could be totally off topic, but it is just something that I thought of while reading all of this, even though most of you were talking about beards) [ May 12, 2003: Message edited by: Gorwingel ] __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

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Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Since no one can decide whether full elves have pointy ears, it's impossible to answer that question. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

05-12-2003, 01:43 PM	#24
Son of Fire Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 50	ARWEN CHOSE TO BE A MAN??!! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] how does that work? i mean, if she chose ot be mortal, or a woman, but a man! sex change with the choice of elrond, I just don't get it, or maybe I'm makihng fun of you. Anyway, it appears that Cirdan had a beard, it says so in the appendix to LotR and in letters, and i think in UT, but I'm not sure. __________________ Say my name and I'm gone, who am I?

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lore_master Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 116	when elrond, frodo and co. met cirdan in the last chapter of RotK it says that cirdan had silver/white hair,and a long silvery beard. __________________ As you go the way of life, you will see a great chasm. Jump. It is not as wide as you think

05-13-2003, 11:16 AM	#27
Son of Fire Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 50	yeah, that was a joke. Anyway, as for the beards, I believe that beards are a sex-linked trait and that would vcome from their father who had a beard because women almost never have facioal hair, so they probably would have had facial hair like ther father. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] __________________ Say my name and I'm gone, who am I?

05-13-2003, 01:49 PM	#28
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	Reply to original post: I did a project in science on the genetics of having poity ears. Only it was on Vulcans, not elves. But I also think that their children would be very human, and have long lives, but not nearly as long as Aragorn's. __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

06-20-2003, 12:02 AM	#29
Ardolon Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 16	I think Eldarion would have a very long lifespan. 300-350 years or so. After all, Elros chose to be a man, and he live to what, 400, 500 years? And he was only Arwen's uncle, whereas he's more removed from Aragorn, but Aragorn still gets a huge lifespan. __________________ Pushing the envelope three inches futher then anyone else.-Bone

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Aredhel Idril Telcontar Wight Join Date: May 2003 Location: Hanging on a sheer cliff with Maedhros Posts: 113	Hail and well met, Ardolon. Have fun being dead [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]. I think that Eldarion and his siblings would have had a longer lifespan than Aragorn's because their mother was still Elven. She chose mortality, but her pointy ears didn't disappear. But if a full Elf and a Human had a child, would that child be mortal or immortal? Or would s/he have a right to choose? __________________ "I am your sister and not your servant, and beyond your bounds I will go as seems good to me." Tai uzdaryk mane Tevyne savyje/kaip giesme gerkleje mirtis uzdaro/ ir kaip uzdaro vakara naktis/ o Tu man atsakai: as Tavo laisve

06-20-2003, 09:27 AM	#31
Morwen Tindomerel Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Minas Anor or Annuminas the Golden Posts: 187	Somewhere in HoME Tolkien has Manwe state that any person with Mortal blood, no matter how much, is automatically subject to the Gift of Men 'unless given another doom'. The power to choose between the Gift and immortality was a special grace appointed to Earendil and Elwing, their children and Elrond's children for certain. I doubt it would have been extended to Arwen and Aragorn's children. It certainly was not granted to Half-Elven of other lines, (such as the Princes of Dol Amroth). Dior was thus Mortal, though he undoubtedly would have proved very long lived had he not have been murdered by the Sons of Feanor. Half-Elven combine the traits and gifts of Men and Elves. The choice effects only their ultimate destiny it does not change their hybrid nature. Thus Arwen would not loose her pointy ears, (assuming she has them) or the powers inherited from her Elven ancestors. Aragorn, dispite the many generations seperating him from Elros, retains a number of Elvish traits including his power of healing. Though undoubtedly Mortal the same will certainly be true of his children by Arwen.

06-20-2003, 11:59 AM	#32
Ardolon Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 16	Thanks, I am having fun being dead. Anyway, even for those that have a choice, like Arwen, the choice of mortality applies to all your decendents, as well as yourself. Thus the kings of Numenor after Elros were mortal, because his choice was irrevocable. Now if Arwen had chosen to be of Elf kind, but still married Aragon then Eldarion may well have had a choice. Then again, he is a decendent of Elros, so he might not have, either. I'm not sure. __________________ Pushing the envelope three inches futher then anyone else.-Bone

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StarJewel Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: I'm in my dear Maedhros' arms, dreaming the day away. Oh, who am I kidding, Chicago is nothing like that! Posts: 116	They would have been mortal, and long lived. They would probably also be way more beautiful than normal men __________________ Visit my writing site...if you dare http://www.fanfiction.net/~mirielamarian

06-29-2003, 05:01 PM	#34
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	I don't think that Arwen would have married Aragorn if she had chosen to remain "Elfkind." Elves consider marriage a very holy thing. The death of a spouse usually results in the fading or the death of the surviving spouse. Aragorn would have eventually died, or Arwen would have eventually had to sail West, and that would have definitely killed her, considering how much she loved Aragorn. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

06-30-2003, 12:56 PM	#36
Elentári Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Up a tree somewhere in Caras Galadhon... Posts: 113	hmm well wot i find interesting here is the assumption that aragorn (or is it dior ur talking about?) has a lifespan of 300-350yrs...well obviously he didnt, cos he felt old age coming upon him at about 210 (or 190, it differs depending on lookin in the tale of aragorn and arwen - i think, i can remember- or looking at the timeline, im going by the timeline) and gave up his life. and its dwindling, so his children i think will have even shorter lives, tho obviously longer than those of ordinary mortals __________________ Dotard! What is the house of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek, and their brats roll on the floor among the dogs? Spread the word! The 1st annual Golden Ring Marathon! October 20th 2005! Tell Everyone! Frodo Lives!

07-01-2003, 02:48 PM	#37
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	I think the same thing will happen with Aragorn's descendants as what happened with the descendants of the Numenoreans. Their lifespans steadily decreased, and I think the same thing will happen with Aragorn's descendants until their lifespans are the same as normal Men. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

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