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Old 05-12-2010, 10:09 AM   #8
Galin
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A little bit more on the names...

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Wikipedia posted: In earlier versions of the legendarium, Finwë and Indis had three daughters — Findis, Faniel and Finvain. It remains unclear if the third daughter survived in the final conception of Finwë's family tree. Furthermore, in some texts Irimë's name is instead given as Írien.
The names and texts concerned are, from Morgoth's Ring:

Findis, Faniel and Irime (from Finwe And Miriel I)
Findis, Faniel and Irime (from a footnote to Laws and Customs of the Eldar)
Findis, Finvain and Faniel (from a footnote to Finwe And Miriel IV)

Findis, Faniel and Irime (from the genealogies dated 1959)


From 1968 or later: The Shibboleth of Feanor

Findis and Irime -- but a few sentences later in the same work, 'Irime' becomes Irien Lalwende. Christopher Tolkien notes:

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'It is strange that my father should give the name of the second daughter of Finwe as both Irime and Irien within the space of a few lines. Possibly he intended Irien at the first occurance but inadvertently wrote Irime, the name found in all the genealogies.'

CJRT, note 28, The Shibboleth of Feanor
For the main entry Wikipedia currently chooses Findis and Irime. I would not, for though the matter is speculative the new writing in 1968 would suggest the loss of Faniel, and Finvain/Irime are the 'older forms'...

... although obviously Irien is only moments 'newer' (!) as far as appearing in the actual 1968 text along with Irime -- still, if one has to choose I would go with Irien. And Christopher Tolkien's suggestion, or explanation, also seems to make sense, as Irime being the older existing form could have slipped in at first.
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