WWJ VIII ~ Things That Go "Quack" In The Night

[mormegil]

Well done dear Nightingale, I believe this to be a very good start indeed. Now Nilp's death was a bit of a surprise as he generally isn't lynched the first day and an even greater surprise was to find out his guilt. Now granted I thought there was a chance but I wasn't certain. What I'd like to do is gather together the collection of quotes as to what everybody said, or didn't say, about Nilp yesterday. He obviously left no traces . It will be in chronological order.

Originally Posted by Kath

Ah I see Nilp has arrived!

Originally Posted by SpM

I also think Nilp's self-vote to be extremely unhelpful. It tallies with his regular suicidal approach, and so tells us nothing. And he knows by now that few are likely to vote for him for it, precisely because it is his standard behaviour. Unhelpful, unenlightening and, in my view, decidedly suspicious. As matters stand, I may just vote for him, precisely because of that.

Originally Posted by Anguirel talking about SpM's last quote

I disagree, as a matter of fact. Were you to vote for him, Master Scarecrow, that would be traditional...and the traditional outcome would be his innocence. I think Nilp probably has too much respect for his customs to perjure them...

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

3. I find Nilp's self-vote annoying. Does he actually become more helpful if he survives Day 1? If so, leave him. If not, get rid of him. (This goes back to point 2.)

Mith simply mentions his self vote in passing but doesn't comment on it in post #58

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Nilp has made only a self-vote.

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

OK I am disregarding for now anyone who hasn't posted a lot or at all eg Nilp, Lote, Elu, Sleepy, Jenny, Glirdan.

Originally Posted by SpM

I mentioned my suspicions of Nilp and his self-vote earler, and they hold.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Now Nilp is generally unhelpful on Day 1 and if his desire is to die I may encourage it though he may not be a duck I think it's possible. How are we to know if he continually votes for himself, and as was pointed out, would do so this time to avoid suspicious.

Originally Posted by Valier commenting on my above quote

I agree on this point. How, oh how, will we ever know when he is a bad guy? It makes me leary. I am so unsure who to vote for yet, but the day is still young (for me anyways) So I will wait till way later before I commit to a vote.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

I am veering towards Nilp - as tradition or no, I don't approve of suicide and find it singularly unhelpful under the current circumstances. It is also a good mask to hide behind.

Originally Posted by Lote22

I'm sorry I'm so late. This is the first chance I've gotten to come on. I've read through parts of what has happened and only one thing really popped out at me. Nilp's vote for himself. I think that's really weird.

So since this is sadly the only chance I'm going to get to come on tonight I'm going to vote now.

++Nilpaurion Felagund

This is the second vote for Nilp

Originally Posted by Cailin putting Nilp in the 'Clueless' category

Nilpaurion - he is so annoying. Truly now.

Originally Posted by mormegil

Now the question is who? Nilp makes good cannon fodder but is it an easy way out? But then again he could be guilty. Nogrod, his death would at least slow down the speed of this discussion but he may also be guilty. I'm really fairly clueless right now so as to spread things out a bit.

I subsequently voted for Nogrod.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

I've been pondering on the Nilp question and I think I'll give him another chance. After all, if he did break the tradition, that would look suspicious, too...

She votes for Glirdan in this same post.

Originally Posted by SpM

At the moment, my other main suspects are Nilp, for reasons stated earlier (although I am inclined to give him a chance and see how he acts tomorrow),

Originally Posted by JennyHallu

Nilp: Voted for himself...seems to be standard operating procedure. Withholding judgment (or any sort of opinion, really) until tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

Busy day...

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Finally... I can finally go to sleep now but first I believe I must leave a vote. I'm afraid my absence today hasn't been to the liking of people but you must understand I was terribly busy and had much to do. Anyway, my random vote policy and more or less everything I've said is staple for all my games and its always brought suspicion on me, I don't find any reason to change at the moment.

In views of self-preservation-

++Nilpaurion Felagund

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

I like to give the quiet people the benefit of the doubt on Day 1. Sometimes people just need to get into the swing of things. And who knows? Maybe if we let Nilp live, he'll be useful. If he pulls the same stunt tomorrow, I'll probably vote for him, and advocate his banishment from Werewolf. (People like that just take up space and make the game less fun. And if he is a Duck, I find it terribly unsporting and he should be ashamed of himself.) Also, this random vote thing has been Sleepy's deal for the past few games, therianthrope or not. Actually, in the games where he was the enemy he attempted helpfulness on Day 1. So if anything, I think this lowers him on the suspect list.

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

9 people have voted, so that leaves 8 votes. Concievably, the lynch could go either way. I really don't want Nilp or Sleepy to die, since I'm curious as to what they'll do on Day 2. Especially Nilp. I know Sleepy will get better, and he has a legitimate excuse.

Originally Posted by JennyHallu

Sleepy is just someone I'd rather lose than Nilp, who seems to prove very useful after day 1. Sleepy, if your regular way of playing regularly gets you lynched early and innocent, to me that's a reason for change.

Originally Posted by mormegil

I find Sleepy's sudden vote for Nilp as odd. I know the whole 'self-preservation arguement' so don't bother. However notice how it came immediately after he became tied with Nilp. Obviously Nilp is a person that would be easy to get lynched today so it does seem highly suspect to me.

Originally Posted by SpM

And I am not inclined to consider saving Nilp or Sleepy (and would not be even were I not suspicious of them myself). If they get lynched, it’s their own silly fault for random/suicidal voting.

Originally Posted by JennyHallu

++Sleepy. I don't think we can afford to get rid of Nilp day 1. The suicide thing is odd, but normal. I'd like to stay out of the whole Sleepy/Nilp thing, but not if I have to leave 2 hours before sundown. I'll see how things look tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Valier

It's hard to make a case for anyone on the first day,but out of all the lynchee's so far I find Nilp to be the most......ok well it always bugs me that he is so suicidal,and I always wonder about his innocence the whole game until he dies. So to put my mind at ease I shall vote for..

++Nilpaurion Felagund

Currently this is all that has been said.

Those who didn't mention Nilp at all are:

Spawn
Elu
Glirdan

Those who said little or nothing of any substance on the matter are:

Mithalwen
Nogrod
Kath
Cailin

Those who appeared to defend him beyond saying it's traditional are:

Anguirel
JennyHallu

Out of this list I find Cailin's comment to be the most odd but the other three weren't far behind. And out of the defenders JennyHallu seemed to be trying in earnest to save Nilp, while Anguirel was more or less pointing out that, for Nilp, the self-vote is a virtual requirement. Jenny actually voted for the runner up at a critical point

In regards to the three who didn't say anything, all three didn't post much so it's more difficult to gauge why they didn't.

Due to the voting I'm willing to think Valier innocent currently.

Sorry this is so long but I hope that you find it helpful.