Denethor and Gandalf, total opposites? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Boromir88 · 07-18-2004, 01:21 PM

Denethor and Gandalf, have this fond, sort of comical hate towards eachother, but they both brought diferent "qualities" to the table to help Minas Tirith "prevail." Not only prevail, but not one enemy entered Minas Tirith. Both, contribute to the victory of Minas Tirith, and without one Minas Tirith could have very well fallen. So I ask, if Minas Tirith would have been without Denethor or Gandalf would they have one?

Here is my argument,
Denethor learned a lot, and benefitted from the palantir (also was his downfall). He made very few mistakes in the defense of Pelennor and in the defense of Minas Tirith. His one mistake I could see was him sending out Faramir to go reclaim Osgiliath, which turned out to be an utter disaster. Other then that, he had walls set up, he had Gondor's armies coming in, he had sent Hirgon out to find Theoden, lit the beacons. Denethor did very well in setting up the defenses for Gondor. Without him, Gondor's defenses wouldn't have been ready in time.

What Gandalf brings to the table, is his leadership, his "pep-talks." It was said whenever Gandalf was around the hearts of men rose. Lets say Gandalf brings that "fire" to be in which I don't see any more "fire" left in Denethor, he is getting consumed by madness. (Truthfully Denethor had plenty of "fire" lol if you know what I mean). He just didn't have those leadership qualities, as Gandalf did.

Gandalf and Denethor have this comical hatred towards eachother but if Gondor didn't have one or the other, I believe it wouldn't have been victorious.

07-18-2004, 01:21 PM	#1
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	Denethor and Gandalf, total opposites? Denethor and Gandalf, have this fond, sort of comical hate towards eachother, but they both brought diferent "qualities" to the table to help Minas Tirith "prevail." Not only prevail, but not one enemy entered Minas Tirith. Both, contribute to the victory of Minas Tirith, and without one Minas Tirith could have very well fallen. So I ask, if Minas Tirith would have been without Denethor or Gandalf would they have one? Here is my argument, Denethor learned a lot, and benefitted from the palantir (also was his downfall). He made very few mistakes in the defense of Pelennor and in the defense of Minas Tirith. His one mistake I could see was him sending out Faramir to go reclaim Osgiliath, which turned out to be an utter disaster. Other then that, he had walls set up, he had Gondor's armies coming in, he had sent Hirgon out to find Theoden, lit the beacons. Denethor did very well in setting up the defenses for Gondor. Without him, Gondor's defenses wouldn't have been ready in time. What Gandalf brings to the table, is his leadership, his "pep-talks." It was said whenever Gandalf was around the hearts of men rose. Lets say Gandalf brings that "fire" to be in which I don't see any more "fire" left in Denethor, he is getting consumed by madness. (Truthfully Denethor had plenty of "fire" lol if you know what I mean). He just didn't have those leadership qualities, as Gandalf did. Gandalf and Denethor have this comical hatred towards eachother but if Gondor didn't have one or the other, I believe it wouldn't have been victorious.