Book Clue for PJackson's Favor, or Still Maddening? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Man-of-the-Wold · 02-09-2003, 01:39 PM

Most folks seem to have at least a little consternation about the whole storyline from Edoras to Helm's Deep (and later), but arguably, it is a reasonable "compositing" of Book-events and characters.Not only do lines and circumstances become interchangeable with respect to Theoden, Eomer, Hama, Gamling, Erkenbrand, Grimbold, etc., but we also see the TTT-Film making underlying developments more concise and visible, such as flight to Dunharrow (refuges), battles with wolf-riders and so forth.What seems gratuitous is the whole disappearance of Aragorn, and his self-rescue, which has no basis in the Books. It does serve, of course, to help the audience comprehend Eowyn's attraction for him and the approach of Saruman's forces.It also is a point of departure to dramtically transport the audience to flashbacks of Aragorn and Arwen and relatively contemporaneous scenes between Arwen and Elrond (and, also some of the Elrond/Galadrial stuff that leads to Haldir's march).But then, of course, the juxtaposition and compressing of the Arwen/Elrond dialogue seems not only forced at this point by the Film, but also somewhat trivialized by this treatment.Then, of course, one doesn't know whether the whole idea of Arwen being poised to leave Middle-Earth for Aman at that time is anything but a complete fabrication relative to the Books, where we only learn of Elrond's much earlier statements to Estel.But then again, maybe, the screenwriters have some basis on this last point, to which I offer the following from FotR-Book: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Arwen vanimelda namárië! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I do not know what "vanimelda" means, except as a descriptor for Arwen, perhaps Quenya for Evenstar. It was also the essence of the name of the third Queen of Numenor. Of course "namárië" may simply be "farewell" to a memory, but ... ?[ February 09, 2003: Message edited by: Man-of-the-Wold ]

02-09-2003, 01:39 PM	#1
Man-of-the-Wold Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: With Tux, dread poodle of Pinnath Galin Posts: 239	Book Clue for PJackson's Favor, or Still Maddening? Most folks seem to have at least a little consternation about the whole storyline from Edoras to Helm's Deep (and later), but arguably, it is a reasonable "compositing" of Book-events and characters.<P>Not only do lines and circumstances become interchangeable with respect to Theoden, Eomer, Hama, Gamling, Erkenbrand, Grimbold, etc., but we also see the TTT-Film making underlying developments more concise and visible, such as flight to Dunharrow (refuges), battles with wolf-riders and so forth.<P>What seems gratuitous is the whole disappearance of Aragorn, and his self-rescue, which has no basis in the Books. It does serve, of course, to help the audience comprehend Eowyn's attraction for him and the approach of Saruman's forces.<P>It also is a point of departure to dramtically transport the audience to flashbacks of Aragorn and Arwen and relatively contemporaneous scenes between Arwen and Elrond (and, also some of the Elrond/Galadrial stuff that leads to Haldir's march).<P>But then, of course, the juxtaposition and compressing of the Arwen/Elrond dialogue seems not only forced at this point by the Film, but also somewhat trivialized by this treatment.<P>Then, of course, one doesn't know whether the whole idea of Arwen being poised to leave Middle-Earth for Aman at that time is anything but a complete fabrication relative to the Books, where we only learn of Elrond's much earlier statements to Estel.<P>But then again, maybe, the screenwriters have some basis on this last point, to which I offer the following from FotR-Book:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> <B><I>Arwen vanimelda namárië!</I></B> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I do not know what "vanimelda" means, except as a descriptor for Arwen, perhaps Quenya for Evenstar. It was also the essence of the name of the third Queen of Numenor. Of course "namárië" may simply be "farewell" to a memory, but ... ?<p>[ February 09, 2003: Message edited by: Man-of-the-Wold ] __________________ The hoes unrecked in the fields were flung, __ and fallen ladders in the long grass lay __ of the lush orchards; every tree there turned __ its tangled head and eyed them secretly, __ and the ears listened of the nodding grasses; __ though noontide glowed on land and leaf, __ their limbs were chilled.