Phial in Sammath Naur - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lindolirian · 11-16-2001, 06:24 PM

I have a question... When Sam walked in to the Chambers of Fire (Sammath Naur) why did the Phial of Galadriel go dim? I know the book says that "they had cometo the seat of Saurons power, the mightiest in all of Middle Earth,and here all other powers were subdued. But it is my understanding that the light in the Phial of Galadriel is "light caught from Earendil's star" which is a Silmaril. That may be where i make my mistake but i don't know. I f it were a Silmaril, then the light would overcome Sauron's power because the light of the Silmarils come from the Trees of Valinor and those were created by Eru himself who is much more powerful than a wimpy lil Mair like Sauron [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] . Please tell me why the light is dimmed... I don't get it!!

***Sharkû*** · 11-16-2001, 06:44 PM

The light itself certainly was strong enought to penetrate the dark of Sauron, but here it may have been the case that the medium carrying the light was not enough. The condensed ancient might of Sauron, united with the apparent power of the very mountain itself, may have simply been to powerful for Galadriel's magic to overcome.

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 11-20-2001, 02:41 AM

Nah. The phial was not a simaril itself but only a reflection. A fragile power relative to the heart of Sauron's realm.

Elrian · 11-21-2001, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sharku:
<STRONG>The light itself certainly was strong enought to penetrate the dark of Sauron, but here it may have been the case that the medium carrying the light was not enough. The condensed ancient might of Sauron, united with the apparent power of the very mountain itself, may have simply been to powerful for Galadriel's magic to overcome.</STRONG>

That and the Ring itself was there as well at the very place it was wrought.

Lindolirian · 12-11-2001, 05:55 PM

Ok thank you! I think the idea about the Light being strong enough, but the medium not was what I was looking for. Interesting...

11-16-2001, 06:24 PM	#1
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Phial in Sammath Naur I have a question... When Sam walked in to the Chambers of Fire (Sammath Naur) why did the Phial of Galadriel go dim? I know the book says that "they had cometo the seat of Saurons power, the mightiest in all of Middle Earth,and here all other powers were subdued. But it is my understanding that the light in the Phial of Galadriel is "light caught from Earendil's star" which is a Silmaril. That may be where i make my mistake but i don't know. I f it were a Silmaril, then the light would overcome Sauron's power because the light of the Silmarils come from the Trees of Valinor and those were created by Eru himself who is much more powerful than a wimpy lil Mair like Sauron [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] . Please tell me why the light is dimmed... I don't get it!! __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end."

11-20-2001, 02:41 AM	#3
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	Nah. The phial was not a simaril itself but only a reflection. A fragile power relative to the heart of Sauron's realm. __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

12-11-2001, 05:55 PM	#5
Lindolirian World's Tallest Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Where the view is long Posts: 2,117	Ok thank you! I think the idea about the Light being strong enough, but the medium not was what I was looking for. Interesting... __________________ 'They say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end." Last edited by Lindolirian; 01-27-2005 at 05:26 PM. Reason: Oh my silly little self

11-16-2001, 06:44 PM	#2
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	The light itself certainly was strong enought to penetrate the dark of Sauron, but here it may have been the case that the medium carrying the light was not enough. The condensed ancient might of Sauron, united with the apparent power of the very mountain itself, may have simply been to powerful for Galadriel's magic to overcome.