"Bad Guy" Trivia - Page 15 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Urwen · 04-24-2019, 02:39 PM

Well, since I am 90% sure I got this one right, I might as well continued. This one relies on the connection I couldn't help but noticed

We are guilty of the same deed
You, the first perpetrator
While I am the second
Yet, I achieved what I wanted
Although it came at a price
You paid one too
And you paid it thrice

(Oh, and it's NOT Maeglin and Gollum. Nor is it Maeglin and Grima. Use this information how you will.

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Urwen · 04-25-2019, 09:04 AM

I bump this in the name of Lomion.

Huinesoron · 04-25-2019, 09:46 AM

"You paid it thrice" makes me think of the Silmarils, but I'm not sure who that would make the speaker. Sauron to Morgoth doesn't work, unless the 'price' was losing the Ring/the Silmarils after achieving dominion.

Then there's Maeglin's striking the walls three times, which would make him 'the first' - but then what is the deed? Only the speaker is asserted to have achieved what they wanted, implying Maeglin might not have.

It can't be one of the Sons of Feanor talking about infanticide, because the sons of Dior were killed before Gondolin fell. It can't be anyone talking about betraying a hidden city, because the only other person who did that was Turin, and that already happened by the time Maeglin was captured.

Oh! Is it Ar-Pharazon talking to Maeglin, referencing (attempted) cousin-marriage?

hS

Urwen · 04-25-2019, 09:56 AM

Yes.

Huinesoron · 04-25-2019, 10:06 AM

Awesome.

What're the rules for this thread - just 'post trivia about a bad guy'? I can do that:

Who was the leader of a thousand mortal Men?

hS

Urwen · 04-25-2019, 10:07 AM

King of the Dead?

Huinesoron · 04-25-2019, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Urwen

King of the Dead?

Nope.

I'm not sure how this thread's meant to work if there's an incorrect guess, so how about a second hint:

This person's friend was wiser than he.

hS

Urwen · 04-25-2019, 01:50 PM

Well, the only two friends I know well where one is wiser than the other were Beleg and Turin, but Turin didn't lead a thousand men, nor was he a bad guy.

Huinesoron · 04-25-2019, 02:22 PM

I'm pretty sure this character isn't well-known by anyone, but he's not some obscure HoME person or anything; he's right there in one of the main books (by which I mean Hobbit, LotR, Silm, UT, and the three Great Tales).

(I am so so pleased that the three Great Tales finally have their own books. Eee!)

(That's not relevant, sorry.)

hS

Urwen · 04-25-2019, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I'm pretty sure this character isn't well-known by anyone, but he's not some obscure HoME person or anything; he's right there in one of the main books (by which I mean Hobbit, LotR, Silm, UT, and the three Great Tales).

(I am so so pleased that the three Great Tales finally have their own books. Eee!)

(That's not relevant, sorry.)

hS

Speaking of irrelevant things, I've added another post to FoG discussion.

Urwen · 04-25-2019, 02:28 PM

And I am still not sure who.

Ar-Pharazon?

Urwen · 04-25-2019, 02:44 PM

Or maybe Ulfang or one of his sons.

Huinesoron · 04-26-2019, 01:39 AM

I'm pretty sure both of them led more than a thousand mortals; the number is straight from the text.

A third trivium... he went back.

hS

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 01:44 AM

From where in the text, exactly?

Also, could you at least give me a response about my latest post in the FoG thread, please? I am a bit bored and would like to continue it.

Huinesoron · 04-26-2019, 02:16 AM

Right before his pal goes to hang out with a fellow with one hand.

hS

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 02:24 AM

The only ones who are confirmed to have been one-handed are Maedhros and Beren, but neither Finrod nor Fingon were associated with any 'bad guy', except maybe Ulfang and his brood.

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 02:25 AM

And the only one I know of who was pals with an actual 'bad guy' was Turin, via his friendship towards Mim.

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 02:42 AM

Wait, if by 'his pal' you mean what I think you mean, then I might just know the answer.

Is this in anyway related to someone who could only speak three times before dying?

Huinesoron · 04-26-2019, 02:42 AM

Yes, the one-handed person is one of those two. You might want to move away from popular characters for a bit, because his friend is even less well-known than him (though I believe he has more actual lines).

hS

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 02:46 AM

There we go, but I have just one question:

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Originally Posted by Urwen

Is this in anyway related to someone who could only speak three times before dying?

Huinesoron · 04-26-2019, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

There we go, but I have just one question:

I'm afraid not.

hS

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

I'm afraid not.

hS

Damn, there goes my grand idea.....

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 02:54 AM

And now I am drawing a blank again. Too bad.

P.S: Huan is cute.

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 03:01 AM

Whether you are using 'hung out' figuratively or literally, there were no minor characters who hung out with Beren or Maedhros mentioned anywhere

Huinesoron · 04-26-2019, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Whether you are using 'hung out' figuratively or literally, there were no minor characters who hung out with Beren or Maedhros mentioned anywhere

I'm using it figuratively, and, uh... you're wrong.

hS

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 03:08 AM

Well, there was Huan, but you said no to that line of thinking.

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 03:08 AM

I'm gonna fetch Silm.

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 03:20 AM

.....This is based on Beren and Luthien (ie. the separate book), isn't it?

Considering that's the only Great Tale in a separate book that I don't have with me, it's going to be hard to figure out.

Huinesoron · 04-26-2019, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

.....This is based on Beren and Luthien (ie. the separate book), isn't it?

Considering that's the only Great Tale in a separate book that I don't have with me, it's going to be hard to figure out.

No, it isn't.

It's actually in the Silmarillion.

"Hang out" may be a bit more casual than their actual relationship.

hS

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 03:32 AM

Gorlim, Ragnor, Radhruin, Dagnir, Dairuin, Gildor, Urthel, Arthad, Hathaldir......

Huinesoron · 04-26-2019, 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwen

Gorlim, Ragnor, Radhruin, Dagnir, Dairuin, Gildor, Urthel, Arthad, Hathaldir......

I think Gorlim is the only possible bad guy in that list, and it's not him. Look a bit earlier.

hS

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 04:11 AM

How much earlier?

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 04:28 AM

If it weren't for the fact that Beren wasn't even born at a time, I'd say Bereg.

Oh, it IS Bereg, isn't it? The one-handed isn't Beren, but Maedhros, and the friend is Amlach.

Huinesoron · 04-26-2019, 04:47 AM

Dingdingding! And there he is: Bereg the traitor of House Beor.

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Originally Posted by Trivia 1

Who was the leader of a thousand mortal Men?

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Originally Posted by Trivia 3

He went back.

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Originally Posted by Silm 17

and Bereg led a thousand of the people of Bëor away southwards, and they passed out of the songs of those days.

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Originally Posted by Trivia 2

This person's friend was wiser than he.

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Originally Posted by Trivia 4

His pal goes to hang out with a fellow with one hand.

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Originally Posted by Silm 17

But Amlach repented, saying: 'I have now a quarrel of my own with this Master of Lies, which will last to my life's end'; and he went away north and entered the service of Maedhros.

Over to you!

hS

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 05:10 AM

I didn't think of Bereg as the 'bad guy' per se. At least no more than him.

Normally I would ask a question about him, but I'll take a break from this, for now.

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 05:17 AM

Now, Eol did cast a curse upon Maeglin "Here you may yet die the same death as I".

But there was another character who cast the curse that had pretty much same wording as Eol's (and which was eventually fulfilled) upon another.

Who was this character?

(Hint: Read Eol's curse again, and replace 'I' with 'my offspring')

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2019, 05:46 AM

Mim, to Androg?

Urwen · 04-26-2019, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Mim, to Androg?

That is correct.

Galadriel55 · 04-26-2019, 06:41 AM

Not up to digging through the texts, so:

The first of two runaway assistants.

Huinesoron · 04-26-2019, 06:48 AM

Sauron, Aule's former 'assistant', who was eventually followed in his defection by Saruman?

hS

04-24-2019, 02:39 PM	#561
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Well, since I am 90% sure I got this one right, I might as well continued. This one relies on the connection I couldn't help but noticed We are guilty of the same deed You, the first perpetrator While I am the second Yet, I achieved what I wanted Although it came at a price You paid one too And you paid it thrice (Oh, and it's NOT Maeglin and Gollum. Nor is it Maeglin and Grima. Use this information how you will. ) __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-25-2019, 09:04 AM	#562
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Bump I bump this in the name of Lomion. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-25-2019, 09:56 AM	#564
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Yes. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-25-2019, 10:07 AM	#566
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	King of the Dead? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-25-2019, 01:50 PM	#568
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Well, the only two friends I know well where one is wiser than the other were Beleg and Turin, but Turin didn't lead a thousand men, nor was he a bad guy. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-25-2019, 09:46 AM	#563
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,971	"You paid it thrice" makes me think of the Silmarils, but I'm not sure who that would make the speaker. Sauron to Morgoth doesn't work, unless the 'price' was losing the Ring/the Silmarils after achieving dominion. Then there's Maeglin's striking the walls three times, which would make him 'the first' - but then what is the deed? Only the speaker is asserted to have achieved what they wanted, implying Maeglin might not have. It can't be one of the Sons of Feanor talking about infanticide, because the sons of Dior were killed before Gondolin fell. It can't be anyone talking about betraying a hidden city, because the only other person who did that was Turin, and that already happened by the time Maeglin was captured. Oh! Is it Ar-Pharazon talking to Maeglin, referencing (attempted) cousin-marriage? hS

04-25-2019, 10:06 AM	#565
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,971	Awesome. What're the rules for this thread - just 'post trivia about a bad guy'? I can do that: Who was the leader of a thousand mortal Men? hS

04-25-2019, 02:22 PM	#569
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,971	I'm pretty sure this character isn't well-known by anyone, but he's not some obscure HoME person or anything; he's right there in one of the main books (by which I mean Hobbit, LotR, Silm, UT, and the three Great Tales). (I am so so pleased that the three Great Tales finally have their own books. Eee!) (That's not relevant, sorry.) hS

04-25-2019, 02:28 PM	#571
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	And I am still not sure who. Ar-Pharazon? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-25-2019, 02:44 PM	#572
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Or maybe Ulfang or one of his sons. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 01:39 AM	#573
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,971	I'm pretty sure both of them led more than a thousand mortals; the number is straight from the text. A third trivium... he went back. hS

04-26-2019, 01:44 AM	#574
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	From where in the text, exactly? Also, could you at least give me a response about my latest post in the FoG thread, please? I am a bit bored and would like to continue it. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 02:16 AM	#575
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,971	Right before his pal goes to hang out with a fellow with one hand. hS

04-26-2019, 02:24 AM	#576
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	The only ones who are confirmed to have been one-handed are Maedhros and Beren, but neither Finrod nor Fingon were associated with any 'bad guy', except maybe Ulfang and his brood. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 02:25 AM	#577
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	And the only one I know of who was pals with an actual 'bad guy' was Turin, via his friendship towards Mim. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 02:42 AM	#578
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Wait, if by 'his pal' you mean what I think you mean, then I might just know the answer. Is this in anyway related to someone who could only speak three times before dying? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 02:42 AM	#579
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,971	Yes, the one-handed person is one of those two. You might want to move away from popular characters for a bit, because his friend is even less well-known than him (though I believe he has more actual lines). hS

04-26-2019, 02:54 AM	#583
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	And now I am drawing a blank again. Too bad. P.S: Huan is cute. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 03:01 AM	#584
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Whether you are using 'hung out' figuratively or literally, there were no minor characters who hung out with Beren or Maedhros mentioned anywhere __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 03:08 AM	#586
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Well, there was Huan, but you said no to that line of thinking. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 03:08 AM	#587
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I'm gonna fetch Silm. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 03:20 AM	#588
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	.....This is based on Beren and Luthien (ie. the separate book), isn't it? Considering that's the only Great Tale in a separate book that I don't have with me, it's going to be hard to figure out. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 03:32 AM	#590
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Gorlim, Ragnor, Radhruin, Dagnir, Dairuin, Gildor, Urthel, Arthad, Hathaldir...... __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 04:11 AM	#592
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	How much earlier? __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 04:28 AM	#593
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	If it weren't for the fact that Beren wasn't even born at a time, I'd say Bereg. Oh, it IS Bereg, isn't it? The one-handed isn't Beren, but Maedhros, and the friend is Amlach. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 05:10 AM	#595
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	I didn't think of Bereg as the 'bad guy' per se. At least no more than him. Normally I would ask a question about him, but I'll take a break from this, for now. __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 05:17 AM	#596
Urwen Spirit of Nen Lalaith Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Meneltarma Posts: 5,408	Now, Eol did cast a curse upon Maeglin "Here you may yet die the same death as I". But there was another character who cast the curse that had pretty much same wording as Eol's (and which was eventually fulfilled) upon another. Who was this character? (Hint: Read Eol's curse again, and replace 'I' with 'my offspring') __________________ Tuor: Yeah, it was me who broke [Morleg's] arm. With a wrench. Specifically, this wrench. I am suffering from Maeglinomaniacal Maeglinophilia.

04-26-2019, 05:46 AM	#597
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Mim, to Androg? __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-26-2019, 06:41 AM	#599
Galadriel55 Blossom of Dwimordene Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The realm of forgotten words Posts: 10,517	Not up to digging through the texts, so: The first of two runaway assistants. __________________ You passed from under darkened dome, you enter now the secret land. - Take me to Finrod's fabled home!... ~ Finrod: The Rock Opera

04-26-2019, 06:48 AM	#600
Huinesoron Overshadowed Eagle Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: The north-west of the Old World, east of the Sea Posts: 3,971	Sauron, Aule's former 'assistant', who was eventually followed in his defection by Saruman? hS