Game Thread - WW XCIIX - The Meaning Of Death

[the phantom]

In other words, I understand every aspect of what you're trying to do, and yet I'm still encouraging Inzil to say nothing. Is that not a good enough answer for you? (I mean sure, you can say that I can't know 100% that I'm right, but I'm pretty darn sure.)

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

We all know that isn't true....

Well, I don't trust anyone I'm naming but those two.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Not to mention, Sally, that both of your potential packs has Nerwen in it.

I outlined 10 packs last night and 8 had Nerwen in it (and Inzil had to be in both packs that didn't involve her, and we know that's not true).

My two primary packs have Nerwen, certainly. Not all of them do. But the ones that don't have her don't make a lot of sense from Lottie's perspective, because it would be counterintuitive for her to lie about Nerwen's guilt (unless she knew Nerwen was a gifted, but how could she?).

Kitchen and then a short nap, I think. I've had far too much caffeine this weekend. Bad plan....

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Sally

because it would be counterintuitive for her to lie about Nerwen's guilt (unless she knew Nerwen was a gifted, but how could she?).

Plus if Nerwen would have been Isildur she could've just saved herself from the lynch, right?

Anyway, glad to see you're not pestering Inzil any more. He already didn't like you much, but then who does?

(I haven't forgotten you calling me a "mean man".)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

In other words, I understand every aspect of what you're trying to do, and yet I'm still encouraging Inzil to say nothing. Is that not a good enough answer for you? (I mean sure, you can say that I can't know 100% that I'm right, but I'm pretty darn sure.)

If you understand everything I'm trying to do, then I assume you know what I'm actually asking Dun, and I don't think it's too much to ask.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Anyway, glad to see you're not pestering Inzil any more. He already didn't like you much, but then who does?

Aw, that isn't true! Distrust doesn't equal dislike.

x/d with Sally

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Plus if Nerwen would have been Isildur she could've just saved herself from the lynch, right?

False. If Isildur is lynched, he's powerless to stop it.

Originally Posted by the rules

IMPORTANT ROLE INFORMATION: due to the lack of players, there will be no CC. Isildur remains, but he cannot heal self. So, to summarize all the roles:

-KM: 3. Wolves.
-Elendil. Cannot reveal self/to self, cannot reveal same/to same person more than twice in a row.
-Amandil. Upon death next-in-line's identity is revealed to ordo.
-Isildur. Sends in name during Daytime until makes a save. If I receive no name by 10:30pm my time, no one is being saved that day.
-Anarion. Ranger. Can't protect 2ce in a row or more than 2 times/game. Can protect self.

EDIT: x'd with a very sweet Dun

[the phantom]

Ah, well, that's too bad about that rule change. But frankly I don't think Isildur is in any danger today, seeing as we're almost definitely lynching Nerwen.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Inzil

Aw, that isn't true! Distrust doesn't equal dislike.

Heh heh... True. I mean- everyone loves me, but they never trust me.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Heh heh... True. I mean- everyone loves me, but they never trust me.

Two of the words in this sentence are in the wrong place.

[the phantom]

Anyway, we done here, Sally? Frankly if my theory is correct then you have all the information you need already. Yes?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Anyway, we done here, Sally? Frankly if my theory is correct then you have all the information you need already. Yes?

More or less. Given recent events, I'm inclined to believe Lottie did in fact receive a dream last Night. Obviously I can't tell her intentions, but at the very least, I'm pretty sure we're safe to kill Nerwen toDay (though killing Nerwen wasn't really a question in my mind). We can deal with the rest toMorrow.

Is that what you wanted me to say?

[the phantom]

It's precisely what I wanted you to say- but only if you're properly annoyed. When I have the luxury of being a proven innocent it's always a goal of mine to bug people just because I can get away with it.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

It's precisely what I wanted you to say- but only if you're properly annoyed. When I have the luxury of being a proven innocent it's always a goal of mine to bug people just because I can get away with it.

I really wish we were on opposite sides so I could murder you.

[the phantom]

I'm sure you'll give me a proper punch in the arm later this month when you come to town, right?

You see, I figure you'll do it anyway, so I may as well thoroughly earn it.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

I'm sure you'll give me a proper punch in the arm later this month when you come to town, right?

You see, I figure you'll do it anyway, so I may as well thoroughly earn it.

You're not wrong. (For a change.)

[satansaloser2005]

Oh yeah, definitely in need of a bit of a nap. I'm all sorts of jittery these past few days. Just in case I oversleep, I'll vote before I head off. I don't think there's any reason to withhold votes. Or is there something I'm not considering?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

If Anarion is known, probably he would be the next kill, as I don't think he can self-protect.

Anarion can self-protect.

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

False. If Isildur is lynched, he's powerless to stop it.

Quite right. Isildur can't protect himself.


A heads up to everyone - there may or may not be a rule change regarding (a) gifted(s) announced later toDay/toNight, due to me realizing that the game is not working as it should. I will update this information as regularly as I can.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

A heads up to everyone - there may or may not be a rule change regarding (a) gifted(s) announced later toDay/toNight, due to me realizing that the game is not working as it should. I will update this information as regularly as I can.

Um....okay? Should I stick around for a bit?

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Anarion can self-protect.

Good to know. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

A heads up to everyone - there may or may not be a rule change regarding (a) gifted(s) announced later toDay/toNight, due to me realizing that the game is not working as it should. I will update this information as regularly as I can.

Two minutes before DL?

Question: is anyone still playing besides me, phantom, and Sally?

x/d with Sally

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Question, is anyone still playing besides me, phantom, and Sally?

If not, is it really a bad thing? After all, it means all the villains would be elsewhere, leaving us to lynch them at our leisure.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Good to know. Thanks!



Two minutes before DL?

Question: is anyone still playing besides me, phantom, and Sally?

Well, yes, but I've given all my information already. I could speculate further, but my only two speculations from yesterDay - you and Sally - are either completely shot (in your case) or increasingly looking less likely (Sally). In my mind, it seems obvious that the other two KMs are hiding within the trio of Steve, Morsul, and Manwe. Considering that Zil may know which of these three is *not* the KM (and I definitely don't want you to say, since that'll expose Elendil unnecessarily), I feel pretty confident about the village's chances at this point.

[Morsul the Dark]

Here for two minutes between errands.

Note: I'm putting assumed there because it's not 100% confirmed but pretty much accepted.

list:

Known Innocents:
Phantom
Brinn

Assumed Innocents:
Lottie
Inzil

Assumed evil
Nerwen

That leaves at least two packmates.
Sally
Manwe
Steve

Right now I'm thinking Sally Steve However if I'm wrong and Sally is in fact innocent then clearly Steve Manwe

[the phantom]

In light of the Moddess's previous comment, listen up- if one of you is Elendil, do not attempt to reveal or pull some sort of ploy that gives you away, as the rule change may be that Elendil is not allowed to send a dream if he is killed.

Continue to lay low.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Um....okay? Should I stick around for a bit?

I will PM the gifted(s) that might be affected, so that everyone won't have to sit around waiting.

Therefore, if you do not get a PM, your role will not be changed.

And, no Zil, hopefully earlier than 2 minutes before DL.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by the phantom

In light of the Moddess's previous comment, listen up- if one of you is Elendil, do not attempt to reveal or pull some sort of ploy that gives you away, as the rule change may be that Elendil is not allowed to send a dream if he is killed.

Continue to lay low.

What he said.

[satansaloser2005]

I don't see a reason to hold my vote. I'd rather vote super early than sleep too long and not vote at all.

++Nerwen

I should be back in an hour or two.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Here for two minutes between errands.

Note: I'm putting assumed there because it's not 100% confirmed but pretty much accepted.

list:

Known Innocents:
Phantom
Brinn

Assumed Innocents:
Lottie
Inzil

Assumed evil
Nerwen

That leaves at least two packmates.
Sally
Manwe
Steve

Right now I'm thinking Sally Steve However if I'm wrong and Sally is in fact innocent then clearly Steve Manwe

Lottie isn't an assumed innocent. Even if she's telling the truth, she could still be a wolf who's just throwing her packmate under the bus to make herself seem legit.

[satansaloser2005]

Morsul-->Sally
Lottie-->Nerwen
Nerwen-->Lottie
Sally-->Nerwen (2)

Yet to vote: Dun, Manwe, Phantom, Steve, Brinn

[Eönwë]

It's just my luck that the Day where everything happens is the Day I have the least time for. Well, I should be here until DL now.

So, before I embark on the epic reread I meant to do earlier toDay to check some of my theories/suspicions, is there anything I need to do before we get to the next step of reveals and such?

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Steve

So, before I embark on the epic reread I meant to do earlier toDay to check some of my theories/suspicions, is there anything I need to do before we get to the next step of reveals and such?

I don't believe so. Read away.

[Inziladun]

Regarding Amandil's Heir, I'm weighing the consequences of not giving them up, as well as the opposite.
If I don't and I'm killed toNight, the chance to name another innocent is gone. Then again, Anarion could help me out, possibly.
Hm.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Regarding Amandil's Heir, I'm weighing the consequences of not giving them up, as well as the opposite.
If I don't and I'm killed toNight, the chance to name another innocent is gone. Then again, Anarion could help me out, possibly.
Hm.

I would say Elendil can reveal himself well enough. We'd trust a convincing Isildur or Anarion reveal - why should we need someone else to collaborate an Elendil reveal? I think the most good we got out of Amandil's death was the confirmation of your own innocence, Zil - revealing Elendil before it's necessary would be dangerous and, I think, not worth the risk.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

I would say Elendil can reveal himself well enough. We'd trust a convincing Isildur or Anarion reveal - why should we need someone else to collaborate an Elendil reveal? I think the most good we got out of Amandil's death was the confirmation of your own innocence, Zil - revealing Elendil before it's necessary would be dangerous and, I think, not worth the risk.

Yeah, I agree. I'm just trying all the angles so I don't miss something.

[the phantom]

Yeah, Inzil, it's a tough call. But if what I've seen isn't a coincidence or fluke, then I think the person you have can prove their identity plenty well if they become a lynching target.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Yeah, Inzil, it's a tough call. But if what I've seen isn't a coincidence or fluke, then I think the person you have can prove their identity plenty well if they become a lynching target.

Ok then.

Looks like there's not a lot of room for doubt on toDay's vote, anyway. Lottie's truthfulness is easy enough to prove. I would have expected a bit more fight from a Nerwolf, though.

[Galadriel55]

Still need to figure some things out. I'm leaving for a couple hours, and I don't want this to come as a big surprise right before DL.

Elendil cannot anymore send dreams to known innocents.

Anarion cannot protect himself.

Amandil - upon his death the next gifted's name could be sent to any payer, not necessarily ordo.

Isildur - can't really think of a way to simplify this one. If I take anything away from him he'll be an ordo.



This is a tentative version, as I am still waiting for something.

I'm sorry all. I know I should have thought of all this before the game started. I guess I didn't think the logistics through well enough. It was definitelly planned for a bigger village. I appreciate any feedback in my PM box; I'll get back to it as soon as I come home again.

[Eönwë]

So, votes. Just to make it easier to see things.

Night 1
Elendil dream: Phantom -> Brinn


Day 1
Eomer ++ Sally
Pom ++ Inzil
Shasta*[Amandil] ++ Eonwe
Inzil ++ Eomer
Lottie ++ Eonwe (2)
Morsul ++ Sally (2)
Boro* ++ Lottie
Brinn ++ Eomer
Sally ++ Eomer
Phantom ++ Lottie
Eonwe ++ Eomer

Isildur pick:?


Night 2
KM kill: Boro*
Elendil dream: Shasta*[Amandil] -> Phantom
Anarion pick: ?


Day 2
Pom ++ Sally
Morsul ++ Pom
Inzil ++ Eonwe
Shasta*[Amandil] ++ Pom (2)
Manwe ++ Morsul
Brinn ++ Inzil
Nerwen ++ Pom (3)
Phantom ++ Sally (2)
Lottie ++ Sally (3)
Sally ++ Pom (4)
{Eonwe ++ Inzil (2)} Too late

Isildur Pick: ?


Night 3
KM Kill: Shasta*[Amandil] -> Inzil
Elendil dream: ? {claimed: Lottie -> Nerwen}
Anarion pick: ?


Day 3
Morsul-->Sally
Lottie-->Nerwen
Nerwen-->Lottie
Sally-->Nerwen (2)




Key:
Bold = alive
Underlined= known innocent (i.e. ordo/gifted)
Italics = known KM
* = Gifted
[role]= known gifted role
(x)= number of votes that day
<x>= number of times a person has cast the same vote


I have included uncontested claims for convenience.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Amandil - upon his death the next gifted's name could be sent to any payer, not necessarily ordo.

How would this work retroactively?

EDIT: xed with ZIl

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Amandil - upon his death the next gifted's name could be sent to any payer, not necessarily ordo.

I received the identity under the old rules though. I don't see how that can change retroactively.

x/d with Steve and Lottie