ROTK- Assaults on Lothlorien - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Iarhen · 03-10-2003, 07:05 PM

Do you think PJ will show the assaults during the movie? Since he's so fond of elves, and he wants them in all 3 movies to be as important as they were in FOTR...I hope he does... It's a siege I would love to see.

Arvedui III · 03-10-2003, 07:19 PM

Nope, He's got too much to show anyway. I'd rather see the Sorcering of the Shire in full then the siege of Lothlorien.

Tinuviel87 · 03-10-2003, 07:31 PM

I agree, even though I think it would be interesting to see the siege of Lorien I would definitely rather see PJ do as much of the scouring of the shire as possible, I think its one of the most crucial parts of ROTK and it would be sad if it was made really short. Im sure PJ will find some interesting way to involve the elves just like he did in TTT with Helm's Deep. ~Seka

Rynoah, the Overly-Happy · 03-10-2003, 10:07 PM

I heard that the Scouring of the Shire isn't going to be in the movie. I'm not going to expect much from the movie, either, just to make sure there's no disappointments.

Scott · 03-10-2003, 10:09 PM

I'm so sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but it was my understanding that the scouring of the Shire was to be left out of "The Return of the King", mainly for pacing purposes. Because of this, I think that scenes of the assault on lothlorien would be more likely to be seen.PS: What I heard about the scouring of the Shire is by no means a carved in stone, for sure tip. It was only what I had read somewhere awhile back. I personally hope that it makes its way into the film, but definitely can see how it could mess up the pacing.

Birdland · 03-11-2003, 12:10 AM

I'm hoping that they will have scenes of Lothlorien in the extended TT. The shot of Gandalf "awakening" with a gasp, and Galadriel's exposition scene makes me think that perhaps P.J. filmed some scenes with Gandalf returning to M-E in Lorien, (as he does in the book.)If he does include such scenes, then surely there will be at least hints that the Golden Wood is under attack. Of course, if they were under attack, then why would she be sending Haldir and his troops off to Helm's Deep?Mind you, I have not seen anything on the Net that suggests that these scenes exist. I just think it would be very cool if they did.

Mattius · 03-11-2003, 02:33 AM

There is definatley no Scouring of the Shire, PJ says so on the EX FotR DVD and has numerous times since. Sorry to dissapoint you.

Iarhen · 03-11-2003, 11:15 AM

Are you completely sure that the Siege of Lorien wont be in the movie?It would be great to see it... Although Im sure PJ will find a way to involve elves in an interesting way...But, most of all, I wanna see elves in the Pelennor fields battle... And Im sure PJ will use Arwen in battle scenes... Thats what Ive concluded because of some images Ive seen...

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-11-2003, 12:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Are you completely sure that the Siege of Lorien wont be in the movie? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's not really nesecarry, and it would take up valauble screen time, and P.J needs all the screen time he can get. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> But, most of all, I wanna see elves in the Pelennor fields battle <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>In a book that is supposed to be about MANS trouble with Sauron, I'm hoping to see at least one battle that doesn't involve Elves. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And Im sure PJ will use Arwen in battle scenes <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Please god NO.

Rynoah, the Overly-Happy · 03-11-2003, 12:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And Im sure PJ will use Arwen in battle scenes... Thats what Ive concluded because of some images Ive seen...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If you're referring to the images found <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001913" TARGET=_blank>here</A>, you can find information in that same topic that suggests these images are old and the idea for Arwen in battle was thrown away after they were shot. They are probably test shots. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>In a book that is supposed to be about MANS trouble with Sauron, I'm hoping to see at least one battle that doesn't involve Elves.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And I will certainly agree with that!

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 03-12-2003, 11:45 AM

There will be plenty of Elves in the story. Think of the whole Elrond and Arwen storyline. It will show Elves leaving Middle Earth.

Mornie Alantie · 03-12-2003, 01:37 PM

I hope the battle of Pellenor fields is saved by Aragorn and the Rohirrim NOT by Elves again. Don't get me wrong, I love elves and i think they are super cool. Another thing, What are they going to do with Galadriel? she tells Aragorn that they will not meet again. Does she just leave for the havens?

Scott · 03-12-2003, 05:02 PM

I pray that she won't just leave for the Grey Havens. Not only I, but many a Tolkien fan, would be uncontollably outraged if Jackson screws with the coronation of Aragorn beyond book to screen adaptation adjustments.Plus, I wouldn't worry too much. In the "Two Towers" it is also implied that Arwen is leaving for the Grey Havens right away. We all know that no one would be dumb enough to mess up Arwen's part in the story in such a way. I think that Jackson is just playing some mental games with the attentive viewers.

Iarhen · 03-13-2003, 08:15 AM

From what Ive seen in the pictures of ROTK, it seems that Arwen goes to Lorien (and it seems that Elrond too). Dont worry about it, Im sure that Aragorn's coronation will be a scene to remember...

03-10-2003, 07:05 PM	#1
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	ROTK- Assaults on Lothlorien Do you think PJ will show the assaults during the movie? Since he's so fond of elves, and he wants them in all 3 movies to be as important as they were in FOTR...<P>I hope he does... It's a siege I would love to see. __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

03-10-2003, 07:19 PM	#2
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	Nope, He's got too much to show anyway. I'd rather see the Sorcering of the Shire in full then the siege of Lothlorien. __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

03-10-2003, 07:31 PM	#3
Tinuviel87 Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Heelllloooo Monkey...... Posts: 65	I agree, even though I think it would be interesting to see the siege of Lorien I would definitely rather see PJ do as much of the scouring of the shire as possible, I think its one of the most crucial parts of ROTK and it would be sad if it was made really short. Im sure PJ will find some interesting way to involve the elves just like he did in TTT with Helm's Deep.<BR>~Seka __________________ Don't Rate Me!(Reverse Psychology?) "And the song of Luthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed..."

03-10-2003, 10:07 PM	#4
Rynoah, the Overly-Happy Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 474	I heard that the Scouring of the Shire isn't going to be in the movie. I'm not going to expect much from the movie, either, just to make sure there's no disappointments. __________________ Spook the spook of spookish spookdom to spook the spooked spookers. ?!?! This isn't Osgiliath! Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King! Eat squid for Boromir the Disco King!

03-10-2003, 10:09 PM	#5
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	I'm so sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but it was my understanding that the scouring of the Shire was to be left out of "The Return of the King", mainly for pacing purposes. Because of this, I think that scenes of the assault on lothlorien would be more likely to be seen.<P>PS: What I heard about the scouring of the Shire is by no means a carved in stone, for sure tip. It was only what I had read somewhere awhile back. I personally hope that it makes its way into the film, but definitely can see how it could mess up the pacing. __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks

03-11-2003, 12:10 AM	#6
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	I'm hoping that they will have scenes of Lothlorien in the extended TT. The shot of Gandalf "awakening" with a gasp, and Galadriel's exposition scene makes me think that perhaps P.J. filmed some scenes with Gandalf returning to M-E in Lorien, (as he does in the book.)<P>If he does include such scenes, then surely there will be at least hints that the Golden Wood is under attack. Of course, if they were under attack, then why would she be sending Haldir and his troops off to Helm's Deep?<P>Mind you, I have not seen anything on the Net that suggests that these scenes exist. I just think it would be very cool if they did.

03-11-2003, 02:33 AM	#7
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	There is definatley no Scouring of the Shire, PJ says so on the EX FotR DVD and has numerous times since. Sorry to dissapoint you. __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

03-11-2003, 11:15 AM	#8
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	Are you completely sure that the Siege of Lorien wont be in the movie?<P>It would be great to see it... Although Im sure PJ will find a way to involve elves in an interesting way...<P>But, most of all, I wanna see elves in the Pelennor fields battle... And Im sure PJ will use Arwen in battle scenes... Thats what Ive concluded because of some images Ive seen... __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

03-11-2003, 12:24 PM	#9
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Are you completely sure that the Siege of Lorien wont be in the movie? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It's not really nesecarry, and it would take up valauble screen time, and P.J needs all the screen time he can get.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> But, most of all, I wanna see elves in the Pelennor fields battle <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>In a book that is supposed to be about MANS trouble with Sauron, I'm hoping to see at least one battle that doesn't involve Elves. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And Im sure PJ will use Arwen in battle scenes <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Please god NO. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

03-11-2003, 12:55 PM	#10
Rynoah, the Overly-Happy Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 474	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And Im sure PJ will use Arwen in battle scenes... Thats what Ive concluded because of some images Ive seen...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>If you're referring to the images found <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001913" TARGET=_blank>here</A>, you can find information in that same topic that suggests these images are old and the idea for Arwen in battle was thrown away after they were shot. They are probably test shots.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>In a book that is supposed to be about MANS trouble with Sauron, I'm hoping to see at least one battle that doesn't involve Elves.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And I will certainly agree with that! __________________ Spook the spook of spookish spookdom to spook the spooked spookers. ?!?! This isn't Osgiliath! Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King! Eat squid for Boromir the Disco King!

03-12-2003, 11:45 AM	#11
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	There will be plenty of Elves in the story. Think of the whole Elrond and Arwen storyline. It will show Elves leaving Middle Earth. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

03-12-2003, 01:37 PM	#12
Mornie Alantie Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere above earth cause people say i should come down to it Posts: 226	I hope the battle of Pellenor fields is saved by Aragorn and the Rohirrim NOT by Elves again. Don't get me wrong, I love elves and i think they are super cool. Another thing, What are they going to do with Galadriel? she tells Aragorn that they will not meet again. Does she just leave for the havens? __________________ Instead of pepper spray, you pack a glass bottle and scream "Aiya Earendil Elenion Ancalima!!!" at muggers.

03-12-2003, 05:02 PM	#13
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	I pray that she won't just leave for the Grey Havens. Not only I, but many a Tolkien fan, would be uncontollably outraged if Jackson screws with the coronation of Aragorn beyond book to screen adaptation adjustments.<P>Plus, I wouldn't worry too much. In the "Two Towers" it is also implied that Arwen is leaving for the Grey Havens right away. We all know that no one would be dumb enough to mess up Arwen's part in the story in such a way. I think that Jackson is just playing some mental games with the attentive viewers. __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks

03-13-2003, 08:15 AM	#14
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	From what Ive seen in the pictures of ROTK, it seems that Arwen goes to Lorien (and it seems that Elrond too). Dont worry about it, Im sure that Aragorn's coronation will be a scene to remember... __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.