6 Degrees of Separation

[Urwen]

Easy enough.


Bill - Sam - Galadriel - Melian - Turin - Mim

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Easy enough.


Bill - Sam - Galadriel - Melian - Turin - Mim

Well, that works (obviously).

But can you make a Maia-free version? (Call it another bonus challenge).

[Urwen]

Sure thing


Bill - Sam - Galadriel - Orodreth - Turin - Mim

[Nerwen]

What about- without Galadriel either?

[Urwen]

Now that's pushing it.



But I tell you what. If you post a new riddle soon, I'll find a way to do it.

[Urwen]

And.....there is no other way. Either I have to use Galadriel or it becomes more than six steps.

[Huinesoron]

No, no, I think we can do it (drawing shamelessly on your prior work):

1. Bill was sent on the quest by
2. Elrond, who was the herald of
3. Gil-Galad, who was the son of
4. Orodreth, who was king over
5. Turin, who was kind of mean to
6. Mim.

I wanted to go via Legolas, but you have to use both Thranduil and Oropher to get a confirmed connection to Thingol, and then you don't have space to reach Mim.

Oh, but can we do:

1. Bill was best buds with
2. Sam, who met
3. Celeborn, who was kin to
4. Thingol, who sent out
5. Beleg, who was hated by
6. Mim?

I'm not sure if the Celeborn-Thingol link is strong enough, though.

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

No, no, I think we can do it (drawing shamelessly on your prior work):

1. Bill was sent on the quest by
2. Elrond, who was the herald of
3. Gil-Galad, who was the son of
4. Orodreth, who was king over
5. Turin, who was kind of mean to
6. Mim.

I wanted to go via Legolas, but you have to use both Thranduil and Oropher to get a confirmed connection to Thingol, and then you don't have space to reach Mim.

Oh, but can we do:

1. Bill was best buds with
2. Sam, who met
3. Celeborn, who was kin to
4. Thingol, who sent out
5. Beleg, who was hated by
6. Mim?

I'm not sure if the Celeborn-Thingol link is strong enough, though.

hS

Off-Topic: What do you think about my latest post in Sil Parody thread?

[Nerwen]

New riddle's up.

Huey, I guess yours work, but what if I told you it can be done without using Sam (or any member of the Fellowship) either?.

[Urwen]

Well, I got it correct the first time, and the rest are just the bonus challenges. So, er, could I continue the game or not?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, I got it correct the first time, and the rest are just the bonus challenges. So, er, could I continue the game or not?

Please do! But forgive me for also answering the bonus bonus bonus(...) challenge too.

hS

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Well, I got it correct the first time, and the rest are just the bonus challenges. So, er, could I continue the game or not?

Sure.

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

New riddle's up.

Huey, I guess yours work, but what if I told you it can be done without using Sam (or any member of the Fellowship) either?.

I would say 'Elrond isn't in the Fellowship'. But okay, how about this?

1. Bill was present when the hobbits met
2. Glorfindel, who was fellow Lord of Gondolin with
3. Tuor, who once on the road met
4. Turin, who was still fairly mean to
5. Mim.

I can't see any way to get anywhere from Barliman Butterbur or Bill Ferny - they seem to lead only back to the Fellowship or Maiar. The Nazgul only take me to Glorfindel again. And I really wanted to use the Watcher in the Water, which took Oin, letting us reach into The Hobbit - but the quickest ways I could pull that off were Bill-Watcher-Oin-Dain-Durin's Bane-Morgoth-Hurin-Mim and Bill-Watcher-Oin-Thranduil-Thingol-Turin-Mim, which are 8 and 7 respectively.

hS

[Nerwen]

Well, I guess that works too. But what I was thinking of was-

1. Bill carried Sam to the Havens to meet
2. Círdan who, back in the Elder Days, sent
3. Gelmir and Arminas to Nargothrond, where they spoke to
4. Túrin who as you mention was really rather mean to
5. Mîm.

[Urwen]

Time for another hard one, ey

Maeglin - > Bereg

Can you connect the traitors?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Maeglin, son of
Aredhel, daughter of
Fingolfin, uncle of
Finrod, who met
Beor, forefather of
Bereg

[Urwen]

Beor and Bereg didn't have a direct contact, though. Nor are they directly related.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Well Bereg was Beor's great-grandson. But let's try this:

Maeglin was the son of
Eol, who was scorned by
Curufin, brother of
Maedhros, who took into service
Amlach, whose Melkorian doppelganger supported
Bereg

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

Well Bereg was Beor's great-grandson.

My assumption has been that the 'relatives' rule is to account for 'they obviously met, because they're siblings/parent and child, but the book never says'.

Of course, opinions have differed... I've spent a bit of time looking at the early parts of this thread, and I definitely saw someone attempt to directly link Aragorn with Earendil.

hS

[Urwen]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

Well Bereg was Beor's great-grandson. But let's try this:

Maeglin was the son of
Eol, who was scorned by
Curufin, brother of
Maedhros, who took into service
Amlach, whose Melkorian doppelganger supported
Bereg

Continue.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

OK, here goes:

Lobelia Sackville-Baggins -> Ulmo

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin

OK, here goes:

Lobelia Sackville-Baggins -> Ulmo

Hmm... how about this?

1. Lobelia bought Bag-End from
2. Frodo, who was rescued by
3. Glorfindel, who served under
4. Turgon, who was very fond of
5. Tuor, who was the messenger of
6. Ulmo.

I'd need to check the book to see if Goldilocks and Tuor interacted directly, but can definitely hit it in 6 through Turgon.

hS

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Originally Posted by Huinesoron

Hmm... how about this?

1. Lobelia bought Bag-End from
2. Frodo, who was rescued by
3. Glorfindel, who served under
4. Turgon, who was very fond of
5. Tuor, who was the messenger of
6. Ulmo.

I'd need to check the book to see if Goldilocks and Tuor interacted directly, but can definitely hit it in 6 through Turgon.

hS

That works fine, although my path was

1 Lobelia was thrown into the Lockholes with
2 Will Whitfoot, who preceded in office
3 Sam, who was at the Council with
4 Galdor, who was an emissary from
5 Cirdan, who spoke with
6 Ulmo

[Huinesoron]

So a little while back I started mapping all of the connections that have been made so far in this thread. 13 pages in, most of the Fellowship have made a bunch of appearances, and have been cross-linked with each other and with the likes of Elrond and Galadriel.

... except Boromir. In 13 pages, he only appeared once - and that linking Denethor to Aragorn, when they actually met directly.

I want to give Boromir his due, but I also like the whole 'linking two people with the same name' thing. Now, I could ask you to link him to Boromir of Ladros... except that that would just leave him sitting uselessly on the end of a chain. What's needed is for Boromir to be within a chain, and therefore:

Denethor II of Gondor > Denethor, King of Ossiriand

... by way of Boromir.

hS

[Nerwen]

Denethor ll - Boromir - Galadriel - Thingol - Denethor of Ossiriand?

[Huinesoron]

That works nicely. I forget what I had, but it was something like that, and definitely a 5.

Over to you.

hS

[Urwen]

By Nerwen's leave......

Tar-Miriel - > Hurin (Thalion)

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Tar-Miriel was married to
Ar-Pharazon, who was duped by
Sauron, who worked for
Morgoth, who tormented
Hurin

[Urwen]

And this is where I'll be evil. Do it without any Ainu.

[Huinesoron]

1. Tar-Miriel was pals with
2. Elendil, who fought alongside
3. Gil-Galad, who was the son of
4. Orodreth, who totally adored
5. Turin, who was the son of
6. Hurin Thalion, Lord of the House of Hador.

Once again we take the Last Alliance Highway back to the First Age.

hS

[Urwen]

Your turn.

[Huinesoron]

Legolas > Gimli.

...

Oh, sorry, that's:

Legolas, scout of the House of the Tree > Gimli, blind Noldo thrall of Tevildo

Welcome to the Book of Lost Tales.

hS

[Urwen]

Okay, I am up for trying this.


Gimli - Beren - Finrod - Orodreth - Turin - Tuor - Legolas


I wonder if I could remove Finrod too, as I imagine Beren and Orodreth have met......

[Urwen]

At least provide some sort of response.... >.>

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

At least provide some sort of response.... >.>

I have been spending the day with my family. Unlike a decade and a half ago, people on the internet are not as important as they are.

Originally Posted by Urwen

Okay, I am up for trying this.

Gimli - Beren - Finrod - Orodreth - Turin - Tuor - Legolas

I wonder if I could remove Finrod too, as I imagine Beren and Orodreth have met......

I think I had something like that, yeah. I think either Finrod or Orodreth is specifically mentioned as hanging out with Turgon in Valinor, so that lets you chop out one step, but overall this works fine.

Thread is yours.

hS

[Urwen]

Glaurung -> Smaug

[Morsul the Dark]

Glaurung created by Morgoth brother of Manwe who sent Gandalf to Middle Earth who sent Bilbo to the Lonely Mountain facing Smaug

Glaurung-Morgoth~Manwe-Gandalf-Bilbo-Smaug

[Urwen]

Correct.

[Morsul the Dark]

Gorbag>Thorondor

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Morsul the Dark

Gorbag>Thorondor

How many assumptions am I allowed?

GORBAG was a captain of Minas Morgul, and therefore served
THE NAZGUL, who took wing at the Black Gate against
GWAIHIR and the Eagles; and Gwaihir was the vassal of
THORONDOR.

Though I think every stage of that includes an assumption of some kind.

hS