Where is all this Elvish comin' from? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Minyacirith · 06-19-2002, 02:01 PM

I'd like to know where everyone is getting all the Elvish phrases. Where can you find a English-to-Quenya or English-to-Sindarin translator? Thank you very much... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 06-19-2002, 03:14 PM

I don't know if there is one, but Tolkien did fully create both Sindarin and Quenya. There are lessons online, so I think the people who use the phrases (I'm not good at languages) know the languages.

*Varda* · 06-19-2002, 03:49 PM

Most of the elvish i know is just stuff i picked up from

a) the soundtrack
b) the books
c) this site

Ithaeliel · 06-19-2002, 06:20 PM

You can take verses from songs and poems in the books that are elvish. Like the Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna miriel one, or Galadriel's lament. If you want to actually learn elvish, you could try the Languages forum. They might have something there.
And... oh... *digging through her website memory banks* I know there's a Sindarin dictionary that I found that has a lot of words...
Aha!Hereit is!!

Nimrodel · 06-19-2002, 07:58 PM

Here is a great Elven Dictionary. It has both single words and phrases.Grey Company Sindarin Dictionary

Losthuniel · 06-19-2002, 08:24 PM

i found a Sindarin translator thingee thats good for names and stuff:
Dictionary

Nimrodel · 06-19-2002, 08:36 PM

I think that's the same one Ithaeliel posted.

Losthuniel · 06-19-2002, 08:49 PM

i dunno, i just posted the link *shrugs* o well.

Thinhyandoiel · 06-19-2002, 10:43 PM

The grey Elven dictionary isn't Tolkien's Elvish, it's based on his languages, but it's not actually Sindarin or Quenya. If you really want to learn Tolkien's Elvish, I suggest Ardalambion. It even has a course for you to take.

Morima · 06-20-2002, 03:40 AM

There are lots of in-depth lessons in the internet. Mostly Quenya, cause this was the elvish language Tolkien fully developed. But some of the grammar is quite tough...

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 06-20-2002, 12:58 PM

I looked a few months ago and was suprised ast how many sites I found on yahoo

Legolas · 06-20-2002, 06:21 PM

"Tolkien did fully create both Sindarin and Quenya."

This is a bit misleading. He did create all that we know from the books and such, but he didn't fully develop it - the vocabulary is very incomplete.

Beware of the sites online - don't take them all seriously and claim to know how to say something in Elvish unless you're sure it's from Tolkien. Often the sites given here make up additional words, some with a valid reason, others not so valid. If you find a word not contained in the books, you might want to e-mail the site's webmaster and see how they arrived at that word and its meaning.

Cheers.

Minyacirith · 06-24-2002, 03:36 PM

Thanx alot everybody. That helped. Uh, Losthuniel, the link WAS the same as Ithaeliel's. Oh well.

Later!

Elfchick · 06-24-2002, 06:30 PM

learn it here.

Quenya course

ArwenBaggins · 06-25-2002, 07:59 AM

yes, u should make sure itz Tolkien's RElvish. One person might say one word for somethin in Quenya, and someone else might say the same word with different Elvish, still in Quenya. Make sure u find out who has the right one.

mystra · 06-28-2002, 07:19 AM

hi! id like to learn elvish as well! all i can speak at the mo is ardunoth! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] i once searched 'elves' on the web and found an elvish dictionary.
myst

***The Barrow-Wight*** · 02-06-2004, 09:26 AM

Ardalambion is the only site I recommend to people, but you really need to read it before just using words from their lexicon.

As for other sites, I don't know much about them, but I do know that several just make words up. Elvish would probably be very entertaining to learn, but only if it is true Tolkien-Elvish, so far as this site is concerned.

Finwe · 02-06-2004, 09:55 AM

Don't use any of the Grey Company Elvish, because they made that up to use in an RPG. Most of it isn't accurate Tolkien-Elvish, so don't even consider the site.

Kransha · 02-06-2004, 11:01 AM

There are plenty of great translators out there. Sindarin, Quenya, Rohirric even, some Dwarvish, etc. Beware of false translators, like the one Grey Company Dictionary. At lest 25% of that is made up. There are also plenty of online and offline courses, if you want to do more than just translate words.

Orominuialwen · 02-06-2004, 10:13 PM

Fellowship of the Wordsmiths can be helpful for figuring out exactly what is being said in the movies. Also, sometime later this year, I don't know when, the guy who did all the language work for the movies, David Salo, is coming out with a book called A Gateway to Sindarin Elvish. When that comes out, it should be quite interesting.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:14 PM February 06, 2004: Message edited by: Orominuialwen ]

Knight of Gondor · 02-06-2004, 10:39 PM

Try a search on Amazon.com. My sister has been able to obtain two books regarding Tolkien's Elvish, as well as the other languages, but they are extremely detailed and scientific. (The eptographical cumbobulations of the circumflex are found to be disproportionate to the combonugraphical eptobulations of flexcumcrul!) I shall attempt to find the specific titles for you next time around, since The Complete Guide to Elvish lands you in a lot of Magic: The Gathering crud.

Isowen · 08-10-2004, 07:46 AM

I don't know many translators but I went to a local lotr fanclub meeting and we learned elvish there but I don't know it very well and I don't know where they got it from, but it was cool to learn it. If you have the special extended version of the dvd I think it says something in the special features or the commentry about all of this. Maybe it would be better to watch the movies a couple more times and see if you can pick up anything that Galadriel/arwen/legolas/elrond/celeborn says. It has the translations at the bottom of the screen!

Morgul Queen · 08-10-2004, 11:55 PM

Not Grelvish! Stupid Grey Company, infilterating our minds with their lies! *pouts* I guess it's only fair that they share part of their name with the Grey Archive. Poetic justice at it's best.

Council of Elrond also has a really good dictionary as well as a several great courses, if you want to check them out.

Sapphire_Flame · 08-11-2004, 10:00 AM

*mutters* Curse the Grelvish!

Yeah, I recommend Ardalambion too; they have loads of good info there. Fellowship of the Word-smiths is also excellent.

Abedithon le,

~ Saphy ~

Amanaduial the archer · 08-11-2004, 10:03 AM

Ah, Grey Company is alright for the odd word or two - but it mixes Quenya and Sindarin like nobody's business and what you would be 'saying' would by no means by very accurate.

Here are a few more:

- http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/sindar/index.html

- http://www.councilofelrond.com/modul...ary&file=index (- the council of Elrond dictionary mentioned before)

- http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish/eng_to_elv.html

Not being exactly an elvish expert myself, I am not sure of the general consensus of these sites, but they do the job.

Encaitare · 08-11-2004, 08:42 PM

Yeah, the Grey Company had me going for awhile with their hybrid elvish... curse the blasphemers!

Definitely stick with Ardalambion; the guy who made the site is an absolute genius. Also, I got this book called "The Languages of Tolkien's Middle Earth" which includes a decent-sized Elvish dictionary.

06-19-2002, 02:01 PM	#1
Minyacirith Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12	Where is all this Elvish comin' from? I'd like to know where everyone is getting all the Elvish phrases. Where can you find a English-to-Quenya or English-to-Sindarin translator? Thank you very much... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ -Minyacirith- has spoken.

06-19-2002, 03:14 PM	#2
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	I don't know if there is one, but Tolkien did fully create both Sindarin and Quenya. There are lessons online, so I think the people who use the phrases (I'm not good at languages) know the languages. __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

06-19-2002, 03:49 PM	#3
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 571	Most of the elvish i know is just stuff i picked up from a) the soundtrack b) the books c) this site __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn

06-19-2002, 06:20 PM	#4
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 710	You can take verses from songs and poems in the books that are elvish. Like the Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna miriel one, or Galadriel's lament. If you want to actually learn elvish, you could try the Languages forum. They might have something there. And... oh... digging through her website memory banks I know there's a Sindarin dictionary that I found that has a lot of words... Aha!Hereit is!! __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

06-19-2002, 07:58 PM	#5
Nimrodel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Golden Wood Posts: 48	Here is a great Elven Dictionary. It has both single words and phrases.Grey Company Sindarin Dictionary __________________ Beside the falls of Nimrodel,By water clear and cool, Her voice as falling silver fell Into the shining pool

06-19-2002, 08:24 PM	#6
Losthuniel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Helcaraxë- aka Canada Posts: 261	i found a Sindarin translator thingee thats good for names and stuff: Dictionary __________________ ~* Losthuniel "Lord, what fools these mortals be!" Puck, Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream Abhorsen's House -- Lirael/Sabriel fanboard

06-19-2002, 08:36 PM	#7
Nimrodel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Golden Wood Posts: 48	I think that's the same one Ithaeliel posted. __________________ Beside the falls of Nimrodel,By water clear and cool, Her voice as falling silver fell Into the shining pool

06-19-2002, 08:49 PM	#8
Losthuniel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The Helcaraxë- aka Canada Posts: 261	i dunno, i just posted the link shrugs o well. __________________ ~* Losthuniel "Lord, what fools these mortals be!" Puck, Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream Abhorsen's House -- Lirael/Sabriel fanboard

06-19-2002, 10:43 PM	#9
Thinhyandoiel Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 187	The grey Elven dictionary isn't Tolkien's Elvish, it's based on his languages, but it's not actually Sindarin or Quenya. If you really want to learn Tolkien's Elvish, I suggest Ardalambion. It even has a course for you to take. __________________ In gwidh ristennen, i fae narchannen I lach Anor ed ardhon gwannen Caled veleg, ethuiannen

06-20-2002, 03:40 AM	#10
Morima Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Budapest. Posts: 78	There are lots of in-depth lessons in the internet. Mostly Quenya, cause this was the elvish language Tolkien fully developed. But some of the grammar is quite tough... __________________ «We're all but noon now; dawn, evening and midnight.» Aki Benetah.

06-20-2002, 12:58 PM	#11
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	I looked a few months ago and was suprised ast how many sites I found on yahoo __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

06-20-2002, 06:21 PM	#12
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	"Tolkien did fully create both Sindarin and Quenya." This is a bit misleading. He did create all that we know from the books and such, but he didn't fully develop it - the vocabulary is very incomplete. Beware of the sites online - don't take them all seriously and claim to know how to say something in Elvish unless you're sure it's from Tolkien. Often the sites given here make up additional words, some with a valid reason, others not so valid. If you find a word not contained in the books, you might want to e-mail the site's webmaster and see how they arrived at that word and its meaning. Cheers. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

06-24-2002, 03:36 PM	#13
Minyacirith Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12	Thanx alot everybody. That helped. Uh, Losthuniel, the link WAS the same as Ithaeliel's. Oh well. Later! __________________ -Minyacirith- has spoken.

06-24-2002, 06:30 PM	#14
Elfchick Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Middle Earth Posts: 12	learn it here. Quenya course __________________ Elfchick Welcome to the Barrows Land of the dead If you think being dead is boring Get a Life!

06-25-2002, 07:59 AM	#15
ArwenBaggins Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: I don't know... will there be a quiz on this later? Posts: 486	yes, u should make sure itz Tolkien's RElvish. One person might say one word for somethin in Quenya, and someone else might say the same word with different Elvish, still in Quenya. Make sure u find out who has the right one. __________________ .:Chelsy:. Reality is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. Terennth Kingdoms

06-28-2002, 07:19 AM	#16
mystra Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cyber raga. nuff said. Posts: 88	hi! id like to learn elvish as well! all i can speak at the mo is ardunoth! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] i once searched 'elves' on the web and found an elvish dictionary. myst __________________ "We each must choose our own path. mine had further to go." Cyber Raga. Nuff said.

02-06-2004, 09:26 AM	#17
*The Barrow-Wight* Night In Wight Satin Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,043	Ardalambion is the only site I recommend to people, but you really need to read it before just using words from their lexicon. As for other sites, I don't know much about them, but I do know that several just make words up. Elvish would probably be very entertaining to learn, but only if it is true Tolkien-Elvish, so far as this site is concerned. __________________ The Barrow-Wight

02-06-2004, 09:55 AM	#18
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Don't use any of the Grey Company Elvish, because they made that up to use in an RPG. Most of it isn't accurate Tolkien-Elvish, so don't even consider the site. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

02-06-2004, 11:01 AM	#19
Kransha Ubiquitous Urulóki Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The port of Mars, where Famine, Sword, and Fire, leash'd in like hounds, crouch for employment Posts: 747	There are plenty of great translators out there. Sindarin, Quenya, Rohirric even, some Dwarvish, etc. Beware of false translators, like the one Grey Company Dictionary. At lest 25% of that is made up. There are also plenty of online and offline courses, if you want to do more than just translate words. __________________ "What mortal feels not awe/Nor trembles at our name, Hearing our fate-appointed power sublime/Fixed by the eternal law. For old our office, and our fame," -Aeschylus, Song of the Furies

02-06-2004, 10:13 PM	#20
Orominuialwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2003 Location: Umbar, but before the corsairs took over. (Ave Maria University, FL, USA) Posts: 632	Fellowship of the Wordsmiths can be helpful for figuring out exactly what is being said in the movies. Also, sometime later this year, I don't know when, the guy who did all the language work for the movies, David Salo, is coming out with a book called A Gateway to Sindarin Elvish. When that comes out, it should be quite interesting. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 11:14 PM February 06, 2004: Message edited by: Orominuialwen ] __________________ Gone for lentSeeyou at Easter! (And on Sundays too, maybe.)

02-06-2004, 10:39 PM	#21
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	Try a search on Amazon.com. My sister has been able to obtain two books regarding Tolkien's Elvish, as well as the other languages, but they are extremely detailed and scientific. (The eptographical cumbobulations of the circumflex are found to be disproportionate to the combonugraphical eptobulations of flexcumcrul!) I shall attempt to find the specific titles for you next time around, since The Complete Guide to Elvish lands you in a lot of Magic: The Gathering crud. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

08-10-2004, 07:46 AM	#22
Isowen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The blackened depths Posts: 86	Just listen to the elves.... I don't know many translators but I went to a local lotr fanclub meeting and we learned elvish there but I don't know it very well and I don't know where they got it from, but it was cool to learn it. If you have the special extended version of the dvd I think it says something in the special features or the commentry about all of this. Maybe it would be better to watch the movies a couple more times and see if you can pick up anything that Galadriel/arwen/legolas/elrond/celeborn says. It has the translations at the bottom of the screen! __________________ I hope Butterbur sends this promptly. A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber -room: Thing wanted always burried, If he forgets, I shall roast him.

08-10-2004, 11:55 PM	#23
Morgul Queen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dontgonearthe Castle Posts: 414	Not Grelvish! Stupid Grey Company, infilterating our minds with their lies! pouts I guess it's only fair that they share part of their name with the Grey Archive. Poetic justice at it's best. Council of Elrond also has a really good dictionary as well as a several great courses, if you want to check them out. __________________ Athrabeth is still doing the wave for Boromir the Disco-King Oh...and call me Morgy!

08-11-2004, 10:00 AM	#24
Sapphire_Flame Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The World That Never Was Posts: 1,232	mutters Curse the Grelvish! Yeah, I recommend Ardalambion too; they have loads of good info there. Fellowship of the Word-smiths is also excellent. Abedithon le, ~ Saphy ~ __________________ The Hitchhiking Ghost

08-11-2004, 10:03 AM	#25
Amanaduial the archer Shadow of Starlight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: dancing among the ledgerlines... Posts: 2,347	Ah, Grey Company is alright for the odd word or two - but it mixes Quenya and Sindarin like nobody's business and what you would be 'saying' would by no means by very accurate. Here are a few more: - http://www.jrrvf.com/hisweloke/sindar/index.html - http://www.councilofelrond.com/modul...ary&file=index (- the council of Elrond dictionary mentioned before) - http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish/eng_to_elv.html Not being exactly an elvish expert myself, I am not sure of the general consensus of these sites, but they do the job. __________________ I am what I was, a harmless little devil

08-11-2004, 08:42 PM	#26
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Yeah, the Grey Company had me going for awhile with their hybrid elvish... curse the blasphemers! Definitely stick with Ardalambion; the guy who made the site is an absolute genius. Also, I got this book called "The Languages of Tolkien's Middle Earth" which includes a decent-sized Elvish dictionary.

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