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Aragost · 08-07-2002, 09:28 AM

What is the history of middle earth about

Davin · 08-07-2002, 09:38 AM

Umm......I'm guessing that the History of Middle-earth is..well....the History of Middle-earth

I think I may be just plain dumb....but I don't really know what you want for an answer? You want me to write out the entire history of Midde-earth?

Child of the 7th Age · 08-07-2002, 09:46 AM

Your seven words raises a very big question. There are currently 12 volumes in the set--a 13th is supposed to be issued this month which consists of an index. There is also the volume Unfinished Tales which is similar. In fact, I would read that first before tackling HoMe.

HoMe contains many, but not all, of the writings which Tolkien did on the Legendarium that were not included in the Silmarillion. (There's some other good stuff published elsewhere like the journal Vinyar Tengwar, especially the things on mid-to-mind communication.) Some of the items are earlier drafts of stories that were included in the Silm or LotR. Some of them were even later drafts, things that Tolkien revised after publication of the LotR itself. There are also essays and stories which touch on subjects and ideas that you won't find anywhere in the Silm itself. Morgoth's Ring, for example, has several good examples like this.

The challenge as you read all this is that the drafts and essays don't all agree with each other, or even with the things you find in the Silm. That gets you into the sticky question of "canon". What is the "real" Tolkien---the published things in Silm, the latest things Tolkien wrote, or maybe even just those ideas and essay you like the best??? (To be truthful, I tend to the latter, but a real scholar or someone editing a new edition of the Silm like some people on this site have to make a more organized decision than that!)

nyways, look at first at Unifinished Tales before you tacle HoMe.

sharon

Davin · 08-07-2002, 09:47 AM

aaah. now i see......I am dumb!!!! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Legolas · 08-07-2002, 10:00 AM

Essays, poems, and ideas by Tolkien compiled, edited, and commented on by his son Christopher.

Some are early ideas that evolved into the stories you've already read and become familiar with. Others are notes on what happened away from the main action presented in the other books. Others still are notes that further explain the origins of things not wholly explained in the Silmarillion.

Galorme · 08-07-2002, 11:48 AM

I'm not sure what HoME 13 would include. Also Christopher seemed pretty final in his forward to Peoples, saying that ::gets book:: "[after this book] the histoy ends".

Edit: Sorry i re-read your post and it said "that contains an index" which would make sense, even if it was a bit of a waste of a book.

[ August 07, 2002: Message edited by: Galorme ]

Child of the 7th Age · 08-07-2002, 12:00 PM

Oh, no. Not a waste. I am dying for a decent index. How many times have I scrambled around the volumes unable to find what I want because I'm unsure what volume it's in. Some people know HoMe word for word, but that's not me, so I sure hope that index is good!!

sharon, the 7th age hobbit

08-07-2002, 09:28 AM	#1
Aragost Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arthedain Posts: 137	HOME What is the history of middle earth about __________________ Where there's a whip there's a will

08-07-2002, 09:38 AM	#2
Davin Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 166	Umm......I'm guessing that the History of Middle-earth is..well....the History of Middle-earth I think I may be just plain dumb....but I don't really know what you want for an answer? You want me to write out the entire history of Midde-earth? __________________ So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. »»The Telmena««

08-07-2002, 09:46 AM	#3
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Your seven words raises a very big question. There are currently 12 volumes in the set--a 13th is supposed to be issued this month which consists of an index. There is also the volume Unfinished Tales which is similar. In fact, I would read that first before tackling HoMe. HoMe contains many, but not all, of the writings which Tolkien did on the Legendarium that were not included in the Silmarillion. (There's some other good stuff published elsewhere like the journal Vinyar Tengwar, especially the things on mid-to-mind communication.) Some of the items are earlier drafts of stories that were included in the Silm or LotR. Some of them were even later drafts, things that Tolkien revised after publication of the LotR itself. There are also essays and stories which touch on subjects and ideas that you won't find anywhere in the Silm itself. Morgoth's Ring, for example, has several good examples like this. The challenge as you read all this is that the drafts and essays don't all agree with each other, or even with the things you find in the Silm. That gets you into the sticky question of "canon". What is the "real" Tolkien---the published things in Silm, the latest things Tolkien wrote, or maybe even just those ideas and essay you like the best??? (To be truthful, I tend to the latter, but a real scholar or someone editing a new edition of the Silm like some people on this site have to make a more organized decision than that!) nyways, look at first at Unifinished Tales before you tacle HoMe. sharon __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

08-07-2002, 09:47 AM	#4
Davin Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 166	aaah. now i see......I am dumb!!!! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. »»The Telmena««

08-07-2002, 10:00 AM	#5
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Essays, poems, and ideas by Tolkien compiled, edited, and commented on by his son Christopher. Some are early ideas that evolved into the stories you've already read and become familiar with. Others are notes on what happened away from the main action presented in the other books. Others still are notes that further explain the origins of things not wholly explained in the Silmarillion. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

08-07-2002, 11:48 AM	#6
Galorme Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London Posts: 337	I'm not sure what HoME 13 would include. Also Christopher seemed pretty final in his forward to Peoples, saying that ::gets book:: "[after this book] the histoy ends". Edit: Sorry i re-read your post and it said "that contains an index" which would make sense, even if it was a bit of a waste of a book. [ August 07, 2002: Message edited by: Galorme ] __________________ Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!

08-07-2002, 12:00 PM	#7
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Oh, no. Not a waste. I am dying for a decent index. How many times have I scrambled around the volumes unable to find what I want because I'm unsure what volume it's in. Some people know HoMe word for word, but that's not me, so I sure hope that index is good!! sharon, the 7th age hobbit __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

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