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Frodo Baggins · 05-10-2002, 06:03 PM

Do you think my parents died because the boat sank, (maybe it had a leak)or did Primula push Drogo in and he pull her in??
Personally, I don'd hold with the last explanation. Maybe I'm just a naive fool and refuse to believe they could do that to each other.

[ May 10, 2002: Message edited by: Frodo Baggins ]

Nufaciel · 05-10-2002, 06:13 PM

The book never really says, but personally, I think that either there was something wrong with the boat and it sank, or they fell in by accident (small boats can be unstable).

Tarthang · 05-10-2002, 06:32 PM

Nufacial is right, the book doesn't give any particulars, on how they came to drown. Maybe one of them stood up, lost their balance, thereby capsizing the boat. Or perhaps Drogo lost the oar, leaned way over the gunwhale (gunwale?) and capsizing the boat in the process. I could probably come up with another good five scenario's capsizing the boat alone, if you're familiar with a small boat in anyway, then you'll get the idea.

Kuruharan · 05-10-2002, 06:54 PM

Or an especially violent sneeze?
Can't happen you say?
Rather embarassing to be the only person I know who has capsized a boat with a sneeze. [img]smilies/redface.gif[/img]

Aosama, the Wandering Star · 05-10-2002, 06:55 PM

I too refuse to believe that Primula and Drogo would push each other in! There was probably something wrong with the boat, and as the good ol' Gaffer says,
"Boats are quite tricky enough for those that sit still without looking further for the cause of trouble."

Kalimac · 05-10-2002, 11:47 PM

Personally I wouldn't take anything that Ted Sandyman says too seriously, but anyway...

Drogo might have "caused" the accident, but surely it was inadvertantly. He was a Baggins and probably not used to being out on the water; maybe he fell in and ended up dragging Primula in by struggling when she tried to pull him out. Or something like that. Urgh, this is a little morbid.

Tarthang · 05-11-2002, 12:38 AM

Maybe there wasn't any struggling at all, except to say for a little friendly tickling or wrestling.

Child of the 7th Age · 05-12-2002, 02:09 AM

I really don't think there was any serious bad play here. Smeagol was the only Hobbit I know of who intentionally did in another Hobbit. I don't think Frodo's parents would fall in that category. Probably just inexperience with boats and water or being too silly and then finding themselves above their heads (literally). sharon, the 7th age hobbit

Nevtalathiel · 05-12-2002, 02:53 AM

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Rather embarassing to be the only person I know who has capsized a boat with a sneeze.

ROTFL [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

I think it was all a conspiracy by the Sackville-Bagginses who thought that they would be left a collection of silver spoons in the will. they probably filled the boat up with sneezing powder!

Daniel Telcontar · 05-12-2002, 03:09 AM

Nevtalathiel, you are probably right! We must alarm the Shiresheriff at once, and get those pesky little hobbit wannabes arrested like the murders they are!! [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Nevtalathiel · 05-12-2002, 05:23 AM

But the shiriffs could be in on the plot, usign the feathers in their hats to tickle people and make them laugh so hard they capsize their boats! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Daniel Telcontar · 05-12-2002, 05:26 AM

This case goes deeper than we thought!
if even the sheriff is invovled, we need to talk with the Mayor! We have to get justice!! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Nevtalathiel · 05-12-2002, 05:36 AM

I think it may all be inspired by Tom Bombadil! If his singing didn't make you laugh, then his outfit surely would!

Frodo Baggins · 05-17-2002, 02:25 PM

You have a good point with the violent sneeze hypoyhesis. Father certainly was a very loud and forceful sneezer. And when He blew his nose.... everyon covered their ears. I really did'nt thind Ted Sandman was true...but, one has to wonder

Birdland · 05-17-2002, 09:15 PM

I've heard two theories myself:

Drogo dropped his sandwich, leaned over to get it, and...PLOP!

Or:

Drogo hadn't had quite enough to eat for Second Breakfast, and couldn't resist when he saw that fish. "Fisssshhhhssss. Yessss. Is it tasty? Is it crunchable?"...PLOP!

Frodo Baggins · 05-18-2002, 06:10 PM

Ohhh Birdland!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

those are funny, dropped is sandwich haha
Fisssssshhh haha!

Nevtalathiel · 05-19-2002, 03:27 AM

Alternatively, Drogo could have leaned over to kiss his beautiful wife while on such a romantic baot ride and just leaned a little far, how tragic [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Samwise · 05-20-2002, 07:18 PM

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But the shiriffs could be in on the plot, usign the feathers in their hats to tickle people and make them laugh so hard they capsize their boats!

*shivers* Ticklin'? Oooh--remind me not to get to near one of them shirriffs...

alatar · 11-27-2007, 02:01 PM

Why were Frodo's parents removed? Was this essential to getting him to be Bilbo's heir, and subsequently to be the Ringbearer? Didn't Gandalf say something about Frodo was "meant" to bear the Ring, and that some other power was behind it? Would this same power be then responsible for killing Frodo's parents?

When Gollum tips over the edge, some see Eru's hand. Would not we also see Eru's hand when Drogo and Primula are tipped as well?

Note that the post-holiday/pre-holiday season has me in a less-than-charitable mood.

davem · 11-27-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by alatar

When Gollum tips over the edge, some see Eru's hand. Would not we also see Eru's hand when Drogo and Primula are tipped as well?

He does seem to have a penchant for drowning people.....

Mithalwen · 11-27-2007, 02:16 PM

Yes and even elves aren't "waterproof" - they may be able to walk on snow but he draws the line at water

alatar · 11-28-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by davem

He does seem to have a penchant for drowning people.....

Gandalf is placed in the right place at the right time so that he might meet Thorin, who then gets Bilbo out of his hole and into contact with Gollum, who loses the Ring to Bilbo. Bilbo returns and adopts Frodo, which he could not of had Frodo's parents lived.

Could this 'anti-Ring' force have used another hobbit, or was there something special about Frodo? The text seems to indicate that Frodo is special - more elvish - and so was it necessary that his parents die to make Frodo a better RingBearer?

Sir Kohran · 11-28-2007, 03:15 PM

Whilst we're on the matter, do you think Tolkien intended some sort of parallel between Smeagol and Deagol finding the Ring whilst out in a boat, and Frodo's parents drowning in a boat accident?

05-10-2002, 06:03 PM	#1
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	Drownded Do you think my parents died because the boat sank, (maybe it had a leak)or did Primula push Drogo in and he pull her in?? Personally, I don'd hold with the last explanation. Maybe I'm just a naive fool and refuse to believe they could do that to each other. [ May 10, 2002: Message edited by: Frodo Baggins ] __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

05-10-2002, 06:13 PM	#2
Nufaciel Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 133	The book never really says, but personally, I think that either there was something wrong with the boat and it sank, or they fell in by accident (small boats can be unstable). __________________ Member of Pervy Elf Fanciers Anonymous...I need professional help.

05-10-2002, 06:54 PM	#4
Kuruharan Regal Dwarven Shade Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A Remote Dwarven Hold Posts: 3,593	Or an especially violent sneeze? Can't happen you say? Rather embarassing to be the only person I know who has capsized a boat with a sneeze. [img]smilies/redface.gif[/img] __________________ ...finding a path that cannot be found, walking a road that cannot be seen, climbing a ladder that was never placed, or reading a paragraph that has no...

05-10-2002, 11:47 PM	#6
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	Personally I wouldn't take anything that Ted Sandyman says too seriously, but anyway... Drogo might have "caused" the accident, but surely it was inadvertantly. He was a Baggins and probably not used to being out on the water; maybe he fell in and ended up dragging Primula in by struggling when she tried to pull him out. Or something like that. Urgh, this is a little morbid. __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

05-12-2002, 02:09 AM	#8
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	I really don't think there was any serious bad play here. Smeagol was the only Hobbit I know of who intentionally did in another Hobbit. I don't think Frodo's parents would fall in that category. Probably just inexperience with boats and water or being too silly and then finding themselves above their heads (literally). sharon, the 7th age hobbit __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

05-10-2002, 06:32 PM	#3
Tarthang Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Paths of the Dead Posts: 108	Nufacial is right, the book doesn't give any particulars, on how they came to drown. Maybe one of them stood up, lost their balance, thereby capsizing the boat. Or perhaps Drogo lost the oar, leaned way over the gunwhale (gunwale?) and capsizing the boat in the process. I could probably come up with another good five scenario's capsizing the boat alone, if you're familiar with a small boat in anyway, then you'll get the idea.

05-10-2002, 06:55 PM	#5
Aosama, the Wandering Star Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle-Earth Posts: 210	I too refuse to believe that Primula and Drogo would push each other in! There was probably something wrong with the boat, and as the good ol' Gaffer says, "Boats are quite tricky enough for those that sit still without looking further for the cause of trouble."

05-11-2002, 12:38 AM	#7
Tarthang Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Paths of the Dead Posts: 108	Maybe there wasn't any struggling at all, except to say for a little friendly tickling or wrestling.

05-12-2002, 03:09 AM	#10
Daniel Telcontar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 713	Nevtalathiel, you are probably right! We must alarm the Shiresheriff at once, and get those pesky little hobbit wannabes arrested like the murders they are!! [img]smilies/mad.gif[/img] __________________ Two beer or not two beer, that is the question; by Shakesbeer

05-12-2002, 05:23 AM	#11
Nevtalathiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The depths of delusion Posts: 374	But the shiriffs could be in on the plot, usign the feathers in their hats to tickle people and make them laugh so hard they capsize their boats! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ "You can go a long way with a smile. You can go even further with a smile and a gun." - Al Capone

05-12-2002, 05:26 AM	#12
Daniel Telcontar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 713	This case goes deeper than we thought! if even the sheriff is invovled, we need to talk with the Mayor! We have to get justice!! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Two beer or not two beer, that is the question; by Shakesbeer

05-12-2002, 05:36 AM	#13
Nevtalathiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The depths of delusion Posts: 374	I think it may all be inspired by Tom Bombadil! If his singing didn't make you laugh, then his outfit surely would! __________________ "You can go a long way with a smile. You can go even further with a smile and a gun." - Al Capone

05-17-2002, 02:25 PM	#14
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	You have a good point with the violent sneeze hypoyhesis. Father certainly was a very loud and forceful sneezer. And when He blew his nose.... everyon covered their ears. I really did'nt thind Ted Sandman was true...but, one has to wonder __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

05-17-2002, 09:15 PM	#15
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	I've heard two theories myself: Drogo dropped his sandwich, leaned over to get it, and...PLOP! Or: Drogo hadn't had quite enough to eat for Second Breakfast, and couldn't resist when he saw that fish. "Fisssshhhhssss. Yessss. Is it tasty? Is it crunchable?"...PLOP!

05-18-2002, 06:10 PM	#16
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	Ohhh Birdland!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA those are funny, dropped is sandwich haha Fisssssshhh haha! __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

05-19-2002, 03:27 AM	#17
Nevtalathiel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The depths of delusion Posts: 374	Alternatively, Drogo could have leaned over to kiss his beautiful wife while on such a romantic baot ride and just leaned a little far, how tragic [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ "You can go a long way with a smile. You can go even further with a smile and a gun." - Al Capone

11-27-2007, 02:01 PM	#19
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	Why were Frodo's parents removed? Was this essential to getting him to be Bilbo's heir, and subsequently to be the Ringbearer? Didn't Gandalf say something about Frodo was "meant" to bear the Ring, and that some other power was behind it? Would this same power be then responsible for killing Frodo's parents? When Gollum tips over the edge, some see Eru's hand. Would not we also see Eru's hand when Drogo and Primula are tipped as well? Note that the post-holiday/pre-holiday season has me in a less-than-charitable mood. __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

11-27-2007, 02:16 PM	#21
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,459	Yes and even elves aren't "waterproof" - they may be able to walk on snow but he draws the line at water __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-28-2007, 03:15 PM	#23
Sir Kohran Wight Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: England, UK Posts: 178	Whilst we're on the matter, do you think Tolkien intended some sort of parallel between Smeagol and Deagol finding the Ring whilst out in a boat, and Frodo's parents drowning in a boat accident? __________________ 'Dangerous!' cried Gandalf. 'And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord.'