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I know it says at the end of ROTK that Saruman was killed, but when his spirit left him, what happened? Does Tolkien mention it anywhere? I'm just curious, is all?
And if we'er already on that subject, what happens to gandalf when he reaches Valinor and what haappens to Radagast? (I know the two blue wizards never came back out of the East. But when it says that Radagast became too enamoured in the brds and beasts or something like that, it doesn't say whether he reached the white shores or not). Sorry for all the qestions, by the way.
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Why sorry? It's all very interesting! Personally I don't know anything more about Saruman's spirit, it is obvious that he was rejected, but what then? Cast into the Void?
Concerning Radagast, I am inclined to believe he remained incarnated, among the Men, so maybe he is still lurking around somewhere, not aging, but living - on the place he chose. Unless he made himself a Dark Lord or something, which I cannot possibly imagine, there was no reason for the Valar to be concerned with his fate - he did not complete what he was sent for, but he also seemingly did not want to return to Valinor, so he remained content where he was.
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It is quite a strange idea, because there are aa fe loose threads left in LOTR, such as "What happened to the Ents?"(and the Entwives too for that matter). "What happened to the true Aulean dwarfs?" and so on. But he leaves personal things unsaid, for example about Legolas and Gimli, and where their adventures led them. Most of the personal stories are left where they are at the end of the story, with just a hint o a happy/bad ending. But we don't ever find out much about Radagasst te brown, and I don't think even Tolkien knew what happened to the Blue Wizards (Alatar and Pallando).
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And concerning Gimli and Legolas, we are told quite enough about them in the Appendices, about their journeys together and Gimli's work with the Dwarves in the Glittering Caves, and in the end, they both left, Legolas built a ship and they presumably both reached Eressëa.
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Answered by Tolkien in the UT:
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As for all the other questions that are left more or less unanswered... don't you need some mysteries after all? And as the Professor himself said in letter #144: Quote:
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