Mouth of Sauron's helmet insciptions - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Might · 12-17-2006, 05:25 PM

Does anyone know what those strange markings on his helmet mean?
I have looked on the net, but was only able to find partially decifred answers...maybe someone here knows it.

Captain Grishnahk · 12-18-2006, 08:14 AM

They do, in fact, mean somthing. Because on the behind the scenes they were showing the alphabet used to put Mordor markings onto Grond. I'm sure they used the same thing on this guy's helmet... I'll look into it.

cap

ninja91 · 12-18-2006, 10:59 AM

Last time I heard they were not only runes of black sorcery but also a kind of pact that the Mouth had made with Sauron to serve only him and to speak his will. Hope that is helpful.

The Might · 12-18-2006, 05:09 PM

Yes, I think I read somewhere as well that the inscription has something to do with Sauron, but I wasn't sure what exactly.
All I know so far is that he has the words "LAMMEN GORTHAUR" (Sindarin for "Voice of The Abhorred Dread") written on his helmet.
But as far as I know, there was a lot more written on it, also a type of poem perhaps...

Gothmog · 12-19-2006, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Might

Yes, I think I read somewhere as well that the inscription has something to do with Sauron, but I wasn't sure what exactly.
All I know so far is that he has the words "LAMMEN GORTHAUR" (Sindarin for "Voice of The Abhorred Dread") written on his helmet.
But as far as I know, there was a lot more written on it, also a type of poem perhaps...

LAMMEN GORTHAUR=Voice of The Abhorred Dread= Voice of Sauron. So the inscription is really a name tag so that the Witch King or some other creature won't pick the wrong helmet

(Gorthaur was one name for Sauron during the first age. Captain Obvious?)

I've never thought of this inscription myself. Is it possible to post a picture of it here?

ninja91 · 12-19-2006, 07:38 AM

In this gruesome close up of the Mouth's helm, we clearly see these "runes" that are inscripted on his helm. Just responding to a request for a pic.

Once again, I truly believe that these words formed his pact with the Sauron, to serve him and only him. They were words of darkness that bound the Mouth of Sauron to his evil duty, and which banished him from the light. And the cuts by his mouth also I think represent his undying loyalty to his master, and his will to speak his master's words.

The Might · 12-19-2006, 04:39 PM

yep, checked it again and they do have inscriptions as well
you can see them pretty good right after Sam and Frodo look at their feet from underneath the cloak.
However it only lasts 1 or 2 seconds, and it's not very easy to make out exactly what kind of runes they are or what they mean...

Captain Grishnahk · 12-21-2006, 11:04 AM

I've noticed that. I have an Easterling Action figure... i'll dig him out and examine for runes. I'll report back here.

Damrod · 12-27-2006, 03:50 PM

Heard this on a commentary track

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There's incantations of Black Speech etched into the metal around [The Mouth's] mouth and the idea being that it enhances the evil that he speaks.

That's Richard Taylor, one of the big bosses at WETA, I think. Ninja91's theory is much more interesting to me, but I'm still trying to find out what those runes actually say.

Elmo · 01-28-2007, 01:57 PM

I'm sorry I guess the Mouth of Sauron is in the extended edition not the origianl cause I can't remember him there

The Might · 01-28-2007, 02:05 PM

Yes, he's only in the extended version...
Also, very interesting there are more such places with runes then I thought
I saw a page where some fans were trying to translate what is said on the walls of the Chamber of Mazarbul...
I remember one of the things they translated was "filmed in New-Zeeland"...lol

12-17-2006, 05:25 PM	#1
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Mouth of Sauron's helmet insciptions Does anyone know what those strange markings on his helmet mean? I have looked on the net, but was only able to find partially decifred answers...maybe someone here knows it. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-18-2006, 08:14 AM	#2
Captain Grishnahk Wight Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 106	They do, in fact, mean somthing. Because on the behind the scenes they were showing the alphabet used to put Mordor markings onto Grond. I'm sure they used the same thing on this guy's helmet... I'll look into it. cap __________________ "Faithless is he who says farewell when the road darkens." --J.R.R. Tolkien

12-18-2006, 05:09 PM	#4
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Yes, I think I read somewhere as well that the inscription has something to do with Sauron, but I wasn't sure what exactly. All I know so far is that he has the words "LAMMEN GORTHAUR" (Sindarin for "Voice of The Abhorred Dread") written on his helmet. But as far as I know, there was a lot more written on it, also a type of poem perhaps... __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-19-2006, 04:39 PM	#7
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	yep, checked it again and they do have inscriptions as well you can see them pretty good right after Sam and Frodo look at their feet from underneath the cloak. However it only lasts 1 or 2 seconds, and it's not very easy to make out exactly what kind of runes they are or what they mean... __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-21-2006, 11:04 AM	#8
Captain Grishnahk Wight Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 106	I've noticed that. I have an Easterling Action figure... i'll dig him out and examine for runes. I'll report back here. __________________ "Faithless is he who says farewell when the road darkens." --J.R.R. Tolkien

01-28-2007, 01:57 PM	#10
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	I'm sorry I guess the Mouth of Sauron is in the extended edition not the origianl cause I can't remember him there __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

01-28-2007, 02:05 PM	#11
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Yes, he's only in the extended version... Also, very interesting there are more such places with runes then I thought I saw a page where some fans were trying to translate what is said on the walls of the Chamber of Mazarbul... I remember one of the things they translated was "filmed in New-Zeeland"...lol __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown