how can a man use the one ring? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

feonor · 09-29-2005, 02:56 PM

when isuldur cut the One Ring from the hand of Sauron after the war of the Last Alliance he didn't want to destroy the ring because
he thought that they would be more powerfull with the ring and he could use the power of the ring against the dark powers of the middle earth.
gandalf told frodo that he had been very powerfull with the ring and it was dangerous.that's ok, gandalf is a maia and he has magic that can be more powerfull with the ring but what can a man do with the ring? how can they use the ring without magic? would they be more powerfull if they used the ring?. i want you to do not take into consideration both disappearing power of the ring and it's willpower.

Eonwe · 09-29-2005, 03:19 PM

i don't think its "magic" per sey. i always thought that "magic" was more mental powers, or that you had a strong will. and men can have both of these. aragorn needed tremendous mental powers to rest the palatir from sauron. denethor was said to be far seeing (something about sight being enhanced or reading the thoughts of men or something.). it seems that men have something of the power of the elves (be that magic, thought, will whatever).

mormegil · 09-29-2005, 03:28 PM

I don't have the exact quote but I remember Frodo being told that he would be able to read the thought of the holders of the three elven rings if he had the strength and gave it enough time.

Also there is a certain power of aura bestowed upon the wearer of the one ring. The orcs can sense their master and it has a cowering influence upon them.

Not written anywhere that I'm aware of but I would think that it would infuse the wearer with some of the strength of Sauron and given time that power could grow great, but that depends upon the will of the user.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 09-29-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mormegil

I don't have the exact quote but I remember Frodo being told that he would be able to read the thought of the holders of the three elven rings if he had the strength and gave it enough time.

I belive he is allso told that he would be able to dominate the holders of the three elven rings, again if he had the strength and gave it enough time.

mormegil · 09-29-2005, 05:30 PM

I just found a quote from the fellowship that I think is pertinent. The quote is Gandalf speaking about Gollum and the discovery of the ring to Frodo in Shadow of the Past.

Quote:

He was very pleased with his discovery and he concealed it; and he used it to find out secrets, and he put his knowledge to crooked and malicious uses. He became sharp-eyed and keen-eared for all that was hurtful. The ring had given him power according to his stature.

emphasis is mine.

So Gollum was able to get power for what he wanted to do but it was according to his stature. So it seems that the ring can give the wearer power to match their ability, stature, or will. Now it gives them this power but if their power is not on par with that of its creator, Sauron, then the ring overtakes them. So let's say that Galadriel were to posses the ring, her power would be much greater because of her greater innate strength than would be the power of Gollum. Also I believe that the ring would take longer to posses her than Gollum. First and most obvious because of her good desire as opposed to Gollum's evil but secondly because of her greater innate strength.

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-29-2005, 05:33 PM

As I recall, there is a suggestion that the Ring, with time and effort, could enhance the powers of its bearer. Which would presumably extend to physical, as well as mental powers.

Don't forget also that the Nine Rings gave the Men who became the Nazgul great power, wealth and sorcery, while ultimately binding them to Sauron's will. If the Nine could do that, then the One could surely bestow even greater power.

However, since Sauron, through the Ring, would be the Master in the end, the long-term effects would be reduced power (at least in the sense of free will/will power). So, short-term boost but long-term enslavement.

Edit: Cross-posting with morm. Thanks, that's the quote I had in mind.

feonor · 11-24-2005, 04:48 PM

yes i think the right sentence is "The ring had given him power according to his stature" . and we can add something more. also we can say that ring give bearer what he need or what he wants. gollum had been given sharp-eyed and keen-eared because he had to hunting, he had to be nourished and so. but the ring would'nt give everything bearer wants because it must have a limit, doesn't it? and i don't understand why not bilbo baggins had been given any gift from the ring except long life. didn't he need anything or did'nt he want any power. may be he could'nt want power because he didn't know anything about the power of the ring. we can discuss which is much important; need or wish? maybe i'm wrong. the ring isn't a wish-master but i'm sure that it always give the wearer acoording to his/her need. what do you think? and what do you think about bilbo baggins? how can we put together the separated parts of enigma?

09-29-2005, 02:56 PM	#1
feonor Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Eriador Posts: 11	how can a man use the one ring? when isuldur cut the One Ring from the hand of Sauron after the war of the Last Alliance he didn't want to destroy the ring because he thought that they would be more powerfull with the ring and he could use the power of the ring against the dark powers of the middle earth. gandalf told frodo that he had been very powerfull with the ring and it was dangerous.that's ok, gandalf is a maia and he has magic that can be more powerfull with the ring but what can a man do with the ring? how can they use the ring without magic? would they be more powerfull if they used the ring?. i want you to do not take into consideration both disappearing power of the ring and it's willpower. __________________ There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called Iluvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. Last edited by feonor; 02-15-2006 at 05:07 PM.

09-29-2005, 03:19 PM	#2
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	i don't think its "magic" per sey. i always thought that "magic" was more mental powers, or that you had a strong will. and men can have both of these. aragorn needed tremendous mental powers to rest the palatir from sauron. denethor was said to be far seeing (something about sight being enhanced or reading the thoughts of men or something.). it seems that men have something of the power of the elves (be that magic, thought, will whatever). __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

09-29-2005, 03:28 PM	#3
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,651	I don't have the exact quote but I remember Frodo being told that he would be able to read the thought of the holders of the three elven rings if he had the strength and gave it enough time. Also there is a certain power of aura bestowed upon the wearer of the one ring. The orcs can sense their master and it has a cowering influence upon them. Not written anywhere that I'm aware of but I would think that it would infuse the wearer with some of the strength of Sauron and given time that power could grow great, but that depends upon the will of the user. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

09-29-2005, 05:33 PM	#6
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	As I recall, there is a suggestion that the Ring, with time and effort, could enhance the powers of its bearer. Which would presumably extend to physical, as well as mental powers. Don't forget also that the Nine Rings gave the Men who became the Nazgul great power, wealth and sorcery, while ultimately binding them to Sauron's will. If the Nine could do that, then the One could surely bestow even greater power. However, since Sauron, through the Ring, would be the Master in the end, the long-term effects would be reduced power (at least in the sense of free will/will power). So, short-term boost but long-term enslavement. Edit: Cross-posting with morm. Thanks, that's the quote I had in mind. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

11-24-2005, 04:48 PM	#7
feonor Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Eriador Posts: 11	yes i think the right sentence is "The ring had given him power according to his stature" . and we can add something more. also we can say that ring give bearer what he need or what he wants. gollum had been given sharp-eyed and keen-eared because he had to hunting, he had to be nourished and so. but the ring would'nt give everything bearer wants because it must have a limit, doesn't it? and i don't understand why not bilbo baggins had been given any gift from the ring except long life. didn't he need anything or did'nt he want any power. may be he could'nt want power because he didn't know anything about the power of the ring. we can discuss which is much important; need or wish? maybe i'm wrong. the ring isn't a wish-master but i'm sure that it always give the wearer acoording to his/her need. what do you think? and what do you think about bilbo baggins? how can we put together the separated parts of enigma? __________________ There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called Iluvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. Last edited by feonor; 12-09-2005 at 03:01 AM.