Scene-by-scene? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

alatar · 09-25-2005, 07:24 PM

Been thinking more about the PJ-bashing threads, and also about the Movies section of the Downs. After we bashed (or not!) each scene, what else are we going to discuss in this section? I assume that no new DVDs are on the way anytime soon, and the Hobbit remake along with any LOTR remake or spin-offs ("LAPD: Dwarf and Elf") are far in the future.

Just what shall we talk about?

Anyone interested in critiquing the PJ LOTR movies, scene by scene? Never did the CbC thing yet as I still haven't recovered my books, and so not sure how that all works. Anyway, I would imagine that we would all view a scene (or scenes if they be short), then critique them. I'm no film critic, yet I think that I could argue why I liked a scene, why it worked, how certain elements aided (or not) the scene, etc. And though I've mentioned bashing, those participants who simply state that "I hate it!" without any additional rational information will simply be ignored.

The various commentaries could also be used to gain further insight.

Some scenes like the Gandalf-Witch King face off have been equinely whipped beyond dead, but what if we looked at all of the scenes? Maybe we all would have a better understanding of the tradeoffs, mistakes and changes that were made by PJ.

Anyone interested? Anyone interested in 'running the show' or at least being a Gandalf to this Frodo?

Just a thought.

Shelob · 09-25-2005, 07:54 PM

I'm interested. Not in running it though, I've got enough going on that running something here might kill me. A chance to discuss the movies critically though, that's too good a chance to pass up, it means I can stop bugging my brother with comments begining "Now I wonder why they chose...?" or the like.

Essex · 09-26-2005, 02:17 AM

good idea - I can already hear the lamenting of the "100% Faithful to the Text fan club" starting, but TREEBEARD said that! Not Galadriel! as we start the movie off.

Boromir88 · 09-26-2005, 04:59 AM

I of course am interested, this should get....fun seeing as Essex is here.

I wonder if we could do this Chapter-by-Chapter discussion like the books. If you go to the War of the Ring it breaks down the movies in their respective Chapter of the books.

Essex · 09-26-2005, 05:03 AM

yeah, but the scenes jump from chapter to chapter (and book to book) - so we could do it against the titles of the DVD EE 'chapters'?

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 09-26-2005, 07:03 AM

It'll only make me feel worse about not participating in the CbC section but OK.

And I don't think it will be difficult to run it. Basically, all the moderator would have to do is signal when the discussion moves onto the next scene. Right? We're not necessarily talking about Estelyn-levels of involvement, are we?

alatar · 09-26-2005, 12:01 PM

Thanks for the replies. Will do some thinking and (for gosh sakes!) some planning and get started here soon as permitted.

And I think that we should stick with the DVDs as they are presented. Hopefully all participants will have access to the EE versions, as PJ "made these ones for us." And as we are critiquing the movies, it would be helpful to leave the books at home.

Did I just commit the unforgivable sin on the Downs?

I know that we will still be saying things like "Treebeard didn't say that" and "that happened later in the Books" but (1) this is the movie section of the forum and (2) we are discussing the movies. So it would be helpful if we stayed with what was on the screen and in the commentaries.

Thoughts?

09-25-2005, 07:24 PM	#1
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	Scene-by-scene? Been thinking more about the PJ-bashing threads, and also about the Movies section of the Downs. After we bashed (or not!) each scene, what else are we going to discuss in this section? I assume that no new DVDs are on the way anytime soon, and the Hobbit remake along with any LOTR remake or spin-offs ("LAPD: Dwarf and Elf") are far in the future. Just what shall we talk about? Anyone interested in critiquing the PJ LOTR movies, scene by scene? Never did the CbC thing yet as I still haven't recovered my books, and so not sure how that all works. Anyway, I would imagine that we would all view a scene (or scenes if they be short), then critique them. I'm no film critic, yet I think that I could argue why I liked a scene, why it worked, how certain elements aided (or not) the scene, etc. And though I've mentioned bashing, those participants who simply state that "I hate it!" without any additional rational information will simply be ignored. The various commentaries could also be used to gain further insight. Some scenes like the Gandalf-Witch King face off have been equinely whipped beyond dead, but what if we looked at all of the scenes? Maybe we all would have a better understanding of the tradeoffs, mistakes and changes that were made by PJ. Anyone interested? Anyone interested in 'running the show' or at least being a Gandalf to this Frodo? Just a thought. __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

09-25-2005, 07:54 PM	#2
Shelob Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: At the abysmal Abyss Mall. Posts: 276	I'm interested. Not in running it though, I've got enough going on that running something here might kill me. A chance to discuss the movies critically though, that's too good a chance to pass up, it means I can stop bugging my brother with comments begining "Now I wonder why they chose...?" or the like. __________________ A signature always reveals a man's character - and sometimes even his name ~Evan Esar. Pan for Everyone!

09-26-2005, 04:59 AM	#4
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,519	I of course am interested, this should get....fun seeing as Essex is here. I wonder if we could do this Chapter-by-Chapter discussion like the books. If you go to the War of the Ring it breaks down the movies in their respective Chapter of the books. __________________ Fenris Penguin

09-26-2005, 07:03 AM	#6
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	It'll only make me feel worse about not participating in the CbC section but OK. And I don't think it will be difficult to run it. Basically, all the moderator would have to do is signal when the discussion moves onto the next scene. Right? We're not necessarily talking about Estelyn-levels of involvement, are we? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

09-26-2005, 12:01 PM	#7
alatar Doubting Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Heaven's basement Posts: 2,466	Thanks for the replies. Will do some thinking and (for gosh sakes!) some planning and get started here soon as permitted. And I think that we should stick with the DVDs as they are presented. Hopefully all participants will have access to the EE versions, as PJ "made these ones for us." And as we are critiquing the movies, it would be helpful to leave the books at home. Did I just commit the unforgivable sin on the Downs? I know that we will still be saying things like "Treebeard didn't say that" and "that happened later in the Books" but (1) this is the movie section of the forum and (2) we are discussing the movies. So it would be helpful if we stayed with what was on the screen and in the commentaries. Thoughts? __________________ There is naught that you can do, other than to resist, with hope or without it.

09-26-2005, 02:17 AM	#3
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	good idea - I can already hear the lamenting of the "100% Faithful to the Text fan club" starting, but TREEBEARD said that! Not Galadriel! as we start the movie off.

09-26-2005, 05:03 AM	#5
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	yeah, but the scenes jump from chapter to chapter (and book to book) - so we could do it against the titles of the DVD EE 'chapters'?