Dragged down by an Uruk? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Ainaserkewen · 06-24-2005, 04:27 PM

So I find this Elijah Wood interview (Quicktime) concerning the LOTR and Mr. Wood reveals something a little strange.

The question was what was the hardest moment of filming to which he responds that in the scene where he leaves the fellowship, his boat tips over and he is dragged down into the river by an Uruk. Obviously this was later trashed but what on earth could this have symbolised had it been used?

Has anyone else heard about this? What could Jackson have meant by this extra moment?

Imladris · 06-25-2005, 12:01 AM

This could have been the scene in which they were going to have Frodo be attacked by Uruks when he left the Company at the end of FotR. I think they mentioned this on the commentary on the EE of FotR.

Folwren · 06-25-2005, 07:25 AM

I'd never heard of it, but my theory would be that Jackson wanted to add something to make it more 'exciting'. I'm soooo glad that he took it out. That part of the movie is so dramatic and beautiful that an Uruk would have ruined it.

I could see why that would be difficult to play, though...

Perhaps he was going to have Sam come out and save Frodo and then say 'Hey, you can't live with out me even here...much less in Mordor. I'm coming.' I don't know.

Elianna · 06-25-2005, 08:38 AM

Maybe Frodo was actually going to save himself to show us that "Look, he's not completely helpless/hopeless."

It sounds like the Uruk was already under the water from the interview. How could that be? Was he taking a lovely little snorkling trip, while his bros were off trying to kill the Fellowship?

Here's another question about this scene: How close is Rauros? How much danger is there of them falling over the waterfall the more time they linger? Maybe that was the reason PJ changed it, because it was too long, and they would've fallen be the time the Uruk was fought off.

Ainaserkewen · 06-25-2005, 06:42 PM

It's a puzzle, a very well guarded puzzle it seems.

Maybe we should track done some Ringers and see if they know anything...

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-26-2005, 07:37 AM

The notorious Water-Orcs were foes the likes of which Middle-earth had never seen before. Their speciality seemed to be in dragging Hobbits and small children into the water and then being killed by them. Unsurprisingly, the Water-Orcs did not last long. Sauron found them to be wholly unuseful. Mass unemployment followed and the Water-Orcs were reduced to living in caves picking fights with rats and badgers; fights they would usually lose.

They were thought to die out soon after the Fourth Age began. What Ainaserkewen speaks of was obviously a homage to the species by Peter Jackson, cut from the film because the audience wouldn't 'get it'.

The Water-Orc in the film was to be drowned by Frodo, after the Hobbit got him in a headlock and held him underwater for about 120 seconds. Alternative reports from deep within the movie-camp suggest that the scene was ditched because it was completely awful and boring.

06-24-2005, 04:27 PM	#1
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	Dragged down by an Uruk? So I find this Elijah Wood interview (Quicktime) concerning the LOTR and Mr. Wood reveals something a little strange. The question was what was the hardest moment of filming to which he responds that in the scene where he leaves the fellowship, his boat tips over and he is dragged down into the river by an Uruk. Obviously this was later trashed but what on earth could this have symbolised had it been used? Has anyone else heard about this? What could Jackson have meant by this extra moment? __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

06-25-2005, 12:01 AM	#2
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	This could have been the scene in which they were going to have Frodo be attacked by Uruks when he left the Company at the end of FotR. I think they mentioned this on the commentary on the EE of FotR. __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

06-25-2005, 07:25 AM	#3
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	I'd never heard of it, but my theory would be that Jackson wanted to add something to make it more 'exciting'. I'm soooo glad that he took it out. That part of the movie is so dramatic and beautiful that an Uruk would have ruined it. I could see why that would be difficult to play, though... Perhaps he was going to have Sam come out and save Frodo and then say 'Hey, you can't live with out me even here...much less in Mordor. I'm coming.' I don't know. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

06-25-2005, 08:38 AM	#4
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	Maybe Frodo was actually going to save himself to show us that "Look, he's not completely helpless/hopeless." It sounds like the Uruk was already under the water from the interview. How could that be? Was he taking a lovely little snorkling trip, while his bros were off trying to kill the Fellowship? Here's another question about this scene: How close is Rauros? How much danger is there of them falling over the waterfall the more time they linger? Maybe that was the reason PJ changed it, because it was too long, and they would've fallen be the time the Uruk was fought off. __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

06-25-2005, 06:42 PM	#5
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	It's a puzzle, a very well guarded puzzle it seems. Maybe we should track done some Ringers and see if they know anything... __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

06-26-2005, 07:37 AM	#6
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	The notorious Water-Orcs were foes the likes of which Middle-earth had never seen before. Their speciality seemed to be in dragging Hobbits and small children into the water and then being killed by them. Unsurprisingly, the Water-Orcs did not last long. Sauron found them to be wholly unuseful. Mass unemployment followed and the Water-Orcs were reduced to living in caves picking fights with rats and badgers; fights they would usually lose. They were thought to die out soon after the Fourth Age began. What Ainaserkewen speaks of was obviously a homage to the species by Peter Jackson, cut from the film because the audience wouldn't 'get it'. The Water-Orc in the film was to be drowned by Frodo, after the Hobbit got him in a headlock and held him underwater for about 120 seconds. Alternative reports from deep within the movie-camp suggest that the scene was ditched because it was completely awful and boring. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond