Unnamed character in the extended 'Return of the King'? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

12-24-2004, 06:59 AM

Hi

In Rotk - the movie. When the attack on the black gates is starting. Aragorn, Gimli, Legolas, Gandalf, Pippin, Merry etc. is talking to the.. whatever it is.. by the gates, who tells them that Frodo is dead.. Who is that?

HerenIstarion · 12-24-2004, 07:19 AM

Welcome to the Downs Thinelen

It is Mouth of Sauron - the placekeeper, or lieutenant of Sauron. Living man, probably Númenorean, in the service of Dark Lord.

See more about him:

What became of Mouth of Sauron by Gothbogg the Ripper
The Mouth of Sauron by Thingol
Mouth of Sauron Story by Lenwe

there several others were Mouth is touched upon, per instance - The RoTK EE (by Morgul Queen)

Besides, some interesting discussion about Mouth's actual age may be found in Magic in Middle Earth by Saulotus

cheers

Elianna · 12-25-2004, 10:40 AM

Well, that was quick.

How about another unnamed character: that leader in Minas Tirith. One who brought dying Faramir to Denethor after the Osgiliath massacre. "They were outnumbered. None survived." "It is as the Lord Denethor predicted. Long as he forseen this doom." Who's that?

From an image search on Google, I thought they were calling him Beregond, but I have a screensaver that calls him Imrahil (which doesn't make sense, since he's obviously in Gondor garb).

Tigerlily Gamgee · 12-25-2004, 07:41 PM

As far as I can tell, I believe he is supposed to be Prince Imrahil of the Dunedain.

Boromir88 · 12-25-2004, 09:30 PM

I heard that guy was Imrahil too. PJ threw in some names from LOTR for his characters. And for some reason he named Faramir's lieutenant Madril, instead of sticking with Mardil, maybe Madril has a better ring.

My personal opinion is the elf accompanying Arwen to the Havens is Glorfindel, just PJ trying to get a jab at us

mark12_30 · 12-26-2004, 03:00 PM

Imrahil... that guy?? Gah-- say it aint so! I'd rather have him not there at all, than have him be parodied like that.

Maybe Glorfindel was at the coronation.

Elianna · 12-26-2004, 03:08 PM

Nah, that elf that talked to Arwen's name is "Elven Escort." Catchy ain't it?

Glorfindel's supposed to be this dude at Aragorn's corination. He looks so stupid. Not at all deserving of the name of a mighty Elf-lord. *click*

06-17-2005, 08:55 PM

I'll go with undead for the horse yeah, or tortured and twisted to an evil design with dark magics. Those dark forces guys aren't real big on the prettypretty. I could think this to death, but it'd be kicking a dead horse maybe, lol.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 06-18-2005, 10:48 AM

It would have been great if characters were introduced properly.

Even Boromir and Eomer were barely introduced. We needed Elrond to say: This is Boromir of Gondor! at the Council. Viewers need to know the names of the characters; they want to care about them. Did anyone, anyone at all, who had not read the books, come out of the cinema ready to discuss Eomer directly? Of course not; all they could say was: "Yon blonde laddie was righteous." It should be so much better and easier.

But that's a big problem I have with films in general, and not just The Lord of the Rings.

Boromir88 · 06-18-2005, 02:19 PM

You can check out this site for all the names of the council members. Although some of them are just named "Elf-two" and stuff...Some of them are just wierd made up names PJ pulled out of his...

Elianna · 06-18-2005, 04:14 PM

Goodness! Checked out that site Boro, *grrrrrrrrrrr* That is so stupid. Wasn't Galdor the butler? Moved on up in the world in 60 yrs, hasn't he? Those names for Men are just horrid. Did they run out of white hair for Dwarves, or did they just not think of it soon enough and decide that, since his white hair is about the only description of WR time Gloín, they'd better make dweebs (like me) who care angry by leaving out Gloín all together than angry by giving him the wrong hair color? *sigh*

That Erestor is kinda creepy. He'd make a good Maeglin.

Boromir88 · 06-18-2005, 08:07 PM

I agree with you about Gloin. If you are going to add in a whole bunch of additions that aren't supposed to be there you might as well put in the ones that ARE there too. There's no reason not to have Gloin, atleast in my thinking. Yes, Erestor looks a bit...feminish, and what kind of name is Jarnsmid? I mean again, if you are going to have a bunch of men, give one like Imrahil, or Hurin or something.

12-24-2004, 06:59 AM	#1
Thinelen Guest Posts: n/a	Unnamed character in the extended 'Return of the King'? Hi In Rotk - the movie. When the attack on the black gates is starting. Aragorn, Gimli, Legolas, Gandalf, Pippin, Merry etc. is talking to the.. whatever it is.. by the gates, who tells them that Frodo is dead.. Who is that?

12-24-2004, 07:19 AM	#2
HerenIstarion Deadnight Chanter Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,244	Welcome to the Downs Thinelen It is Mouth of Sauron - the placekeeper, or lieutenant of Sauron. Living man, probably Númenorean, in the service of Dark Lord. See more about him: What became of Mouth of Sauron by Gothbogg the Ripper The Mouth of Sauron by Thingol Mouth of Sauron Story by Lenwe there several others were Mouth is touched upon, per instance - The RoTK EE (by Morgul Queen) Besides, some interesting discussion about Mouth's actual age may be found in Magic in Middle Earth by Saulotus cheers __________________ Egroeg Ihkhsal - Would you believe in the love at first sight? - Yes I'm certain that it happens all the time!

12-25-2004, 10:40 AM	#3
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	Well, that was quick. How about another unnamed character: that leader in Minas Tirith. One who brought dying Faramir to Denethor after the Osgiliath massacre. "They were outnumbered. None survived." "It is as the Lord Denethor predicted. Long as he forseen this doom." Who's that? From an image search on Google, I thought they were calling him Beregond, but I have a screensaver that calls him Imrahil (which doesn't make sense, since he's obviously in Gondor garb). __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

12-25-2004, 07:41 PM	#4
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,055	As far as I can tell, I believe he is supposed to be Prince Imrahil of the Dunedain. __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

12-26-2004, 03:00 PM	#6
mark12_30 Stormdancer of Doom Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars Posts: 4,349	Imrahil... that guy?? Gah-- say it aint so! I'd rather have him not there at all, than have him be parodied like that. Maybe Glorfindel was at the coronation. __________________ ...down to the water to see the elves dance and sing upon the midsummer's eve.

12-25-2004, 09:30 PM	#5
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,519	I heard that guy was Imrahil too. PJ threw in some names from LOTR for his characters. And for some reason he named Faramir's lieutenant Madril, instead of sticking with Mardil, maybe Madril has a better ring. My personal opinion is the elf accompanying Arwen to the Havens is Glorfindel, just PJ trying to get a jab at us

12-26-2004, 03:08 PM	#7
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	Nah, that elf that talked to Arwen's name is "Elven Escort." Catchy ain't it? Glorfindel's supposed to be this dude at Aragorn's corination. He looks so stupid. Not at all deserving of the name of a mighty Elf-lord. click __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

06-17-2005, 08:55 PM	#8
]Cobalt[ Guest Posts: n/a	I'll go with undead for the horse yeah, or tortured and twisted to an evil design with dark magics. Those dark forces guys aren't real big on the prettypretty. I could think this to death, but it'd be kicking a dead horse maybe, lol.

06-18-2005, 10:48 AM	#9
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	It would have been great if characters were introduced properly. Even Boromir and Eomer were barely introduced. We needed Elrond to say: This is Boromir of Gondor! at the Council. Viewers need to know the names of the characters; they want to care about them. Did anyone, anyone at all, who had not read the books, come out of the cinema ready to discuss Eomer directly? Of course not; all they could say was: "Yon blonde laddie was righteous." It should be so much better and easier. But that's a big problem I have with films in general, and not just The Lord of the Rings. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

06-18-2005, 02:19 PM	#10
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,519	You can check out this site for all the names of the council members. Although some of them are just named "Elf-two" and stuff...Some of them are just wierd made up names PJ pulled out of his... __________________ Fenris Penguin Last edited by Boromir88; 06-18-2005 at 02:24 PM.

06-18-2005, 04:14 PM	#11
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	Goodness! Checked out that site Boro, grrrrrrrrrrr That is so stupid. Wasn't Galdor the butler? Moved on up in the world in 60 yrs, hasn't he? Those names for Men are just horrid. Did they run out of white hair for Dwarves, or did they just not think of it soon enough and decide that, since his white hair is about the only description of WR time Gloín, they'd better make dweebs (like me) who care angry by leaving out Gloín all together than angry by giving him the wrong hair color? sigh That Erestor is kinda creepy. He'd make a good Maeglin. __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

06-18-2005, 08:07 PM	#12
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,519	I agree with you about Gloin. If you are going to add in a whole bunch of additions that aren't supposed to be there you might as well put in the ones that ARE there too. There's no reason not to have Gloin, atleast in my thinking. Yes, Erestor looks a bit...feminish, and what kind of name is Jarnsmid? I mean again, if you are going to have a bunch of men, give one like Imrahil, or Hurin or something. __________________ Fenris Penguin