Why bring the women and children? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Bandobras Took · 10-22-2004, 01:58 PM

Why did thaodin bring the woman and kids to helms deep? It would only put them in danger! why did they not just stay there? He knew the Uruks would be going to helms deep and not Edoras!*Grrr* I don't get this guy!

Boromir88 · 10-22-2004, 02:14 PM

Actually it depends upon Movie Theoden, and Book Theoden. Book Theoden knew there was fighting at Helm's Deep, so he gathered his men and went to Helm's Deep, he sent the Women and Children of Edoras to Dunharrow. But, there were still women and children hiding in the caves when Theoden and company got to Helm's Deep (as we get to hear of Gimli's tale of fighting in Aglarond).

Movie Theoden, however, if you remember he was going to Helm's Deep to avoid fighting. As Grima says in the movie, "Theoden will expect an attack on the city, he will retreat to Helm's Deep." So Movie Theoden, thinks Edoras is going to be attacked, so he evacuates the whole city and takes them to Helm's Deep, not anticipating an attack.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-22-2004, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Boromir88

So Movie Theoden, thinks Edoras is going to be attacked, so he evacuates the whole city and takes them to Helm's Deep, not inticipating an attack.

It is also easier to defend ...

... as long as your enemy doesn't have 10,000 Orcs and gunpowder.

Both Helm's Deep and Dunharrow were traditional refuges for the people of Rohan in times of war.

Nimrodel_9 · 10-23-2004, 04:38 PM

In the Movie: If Theoden were to leave the woman and children at Edoras by themselves, they would be attacked and killed or captured. Leaving them would be complete disaster.

Orophin · 12-23-2004, 06:40 PM

If you are talking about the movie Theoden I think that he was afraid to leave all of the women and children in a place that was not easily defendable even if the men were there. They were safer at helm deep. Even though they were almost killed. In one way it doies seem like ot is bringing them closer ot danger.

Turin · 12-24-2004, 03:50 AM

It is yet another example of poor logical thinking by the writers- not thought out properly.

There are NO excuses!

12-24-2004, 03:55 AM

In the movie, Theoden realises that now Saruman has lost control of him, he will attack. Their fighting past has proved that Helm's Deep has a) places to hide for the women and children, and b) a better defence rate than Edoras (even though it's on a huge hill, it's made of straw, essentially.. easily burnt down, I should wonder) So logic dictates that they go to Helm's Deep. And they have to take the innocents with them.. again, it's common sense. There's places to hide, plus you wouldn't exactly leave them on their own, defenceless, in an arsonist's dream (Edoras), would you?
And ow I'm just reiterating what ^^^ said perfectly well..

10-22-2004, 01:58 PM	#1
Bandobras Took Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Green Dragon Inn Posts: 22	Why bring the women and children? Why did thaodin bring the woman and kids to helms deep? It would only put them in danger! why did they not just stay there? He knew the Uruks would be going to helms deep and not Edoras!Grrr I don't get this guy!

10-22-2004, 02:14 PM	#2
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,519	Actually it depends upon Movie Theoden, and Book Theoden. Book Theoden knew there was fighting at Helm's Deep, so he gathered his men and went to Helm's Deep, he sent the Women and Children of Edoras to Dunharrow. But, there were still women and children hiding in the caves when Theoden and company got to Helm's Deep (as we get to hear of Gimli's tale of fighting in Aglarond). Movie Theoden, however, if you remember he was going to Helm's Deep to avoid fighting. As Grima says in the movie, "Theoden will expect an attack on the city, he will retreat to Helm's Deep." So Movie Theoden, thinks Edoras is going to be attacked, so he evacuates the whole city and takes them to Helm's Deep, not anticipating an attack. Last edited by Boromir88; 10-22-2004 at 07:46 PM.

10-23-2004, 04:38 PM	#4
Nimrodel_9 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 734	In the Movie: If Theoden were to leave the woman and children at Edoras by themselves, they would be attacked and killed or captured. Leaving them would be complete disaster. __________________ .:A friend is someone who reaches for your hand and touches your heart:.

12-23-2004, 06:40 PM	#5
Orophin Animated Skeleton Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 48	If you are talking about the movie Theoden I think that he was afraid to leave all of the women and children in a place that was not easily defendable even if the men were there. They were safer at helm deep. Even though they were almost killed. In one way it doies seem like ot is bringing them closer ot danger. __________________ Yrch!

12-24-2004, 03:50 AM	#6
Turin Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 37	It is yet another example of poor logical thinking by the writers- not thought out properly. There are NO excuses! __________________ Master of Doom!!!

12-24-2004, 03:55 AM	#7
Legoli Guest Posts: n/a	In the movie, Theoden realises that now Saruman has lost control of him, he will attack. Their fighting past has proved that Helm's Deep has a) places to hide for the women and children, and b) a better defence rate than Edoras (even though it's on a huge hill, it's made of straw, essentially.. easily burnt down, I should wonder) So logic dictates that they go to Helm's Deep. And they have to take the innocents with them.. again, it's common sense. There's places to hide, plus you wouldn't exactly leave them on their own, defenceless, in an arsonist's dream (Edoras), would you? And ow I'm just reiterating what ^^^ said perfectly well..