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Old 05-05-2004, 11:48 PM   #1
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A bit of left over business from another thread left me wondering why Frodo was the one who carried the Ring to Mt. Doom. At first I thought it might be some unique link to Elves that qualified him to be the pivotal Ring Bearer in LotR. (Case in point--Frodo's dream of Aman his last morning at Tom's house.) Then it occurred to me that, no, Bilbo was considered odd by his fellow hobbits for his fascination & knowledge of all things elven; and honored by Elves for the same. Naturally, Sam then came to mind--he was famous for his passionate love of Elves. Aha! I thought--they were all Ring Bearers and were granted passage to Aman. Thus, if you were a hobbit and had a special penchant for Elves you got to travel with the Ring. (Gollum can be discounted because he didn't try to go anywhere w/the Ring when he had it for 500 years. Also, the Ring dumped Isildur the first chance it got.) I'm not sure Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam were all that much alike in temperament as just hobbits. To me, their elvishness explains how Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam (hobbit par excellence!) were set apart from their fellow hobbits--even Merry & Pippin. What remains unexplained is what the particular qualities are about both Elves & hobbits that produce Ring Bearers. Just what is it about being an Elf or hobbit by themselves that "disquaifies" one from being a Ring Bearer, but having a mixture of both makes it possible? I think we know about hobbits--down to earth, humble, not especially inclined toward personal power or wealth, etc. It is the elvish qualities that intrigue me most, and then how those qualities mingle with the hobbits'. I also wonder if Tolkien consciously crafted these three with this "prerequisite" while writing them.
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Old 05-06-2004, 02:15 AM   #2
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To begin with, I do not think that it is a question of character that "qualifies" or "disqualifies" a Ringbearer. Bilbo simply picked up the Ring and slipped it into his pocket. I don't suppose Prof T is justifying the "Finders, Keepers" maxim, but Bilbo never did have an opportunity to return the Ring to Gollum, (who did bloody murder for it, by the way) so I guess you can say that he is pretty much entitled to keep or "bear" the Ring. Subsequent transfer of the Ring from Bilbo to Frodo and then to Sam is perfectly justified.

If there is one quality that "qualifies" a Ring Bearer, I suppose it is the legal transaction by which the Ring is obtained. Taking one situation for example, during the Council of Elrond, Master Elrond placed the responsibility of destroying the Ring to Frodo. Is there really any other characters that can possibly contest that decision? Yes, Bilbo has borne the Ring before, and he had all the "Elvish cum Hobbit" quality aforementioned, he is also a more experienced adventurer. But Gandalf told him that the Ring has "passed on". With Sam, it is even more interesting, since Sam Gamgee loved Elves, but he would prefer his tatters and tomatoes to travelling with an Elf any day. Then again, one could hardly observe anything Elvish about Sam until his return to the Shire.

Besides, Frodo failed to destroy the Ring in the end, didn't he?

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Old 05-06-2004, 03:40 AM   #3
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Well, as Gandalf said, Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, and Frodo was meant to have it.
So what you really ask is why Eru (or Providence, or whatever...) chose them... Or do you mean why Tolkien, as their creator (and the creator of that world) described the Ringbearer's character such as they are?
I guess it had to be a hobbit, because hobbits do not desire power, as you said. But most ordinary hobbits were quite narrowminded and only concerned with their own affairs, so they wouldn't have been willing to go on a dangerous journey, let alone to sacrifice themselves to save the world. They probably wouldn't even have understood the importance of it all. So it had to be an extraordinary hobbit that had a wider view,a deeper understanding and an interest beyond the boundaries of the Shire. Is that what you call Frodo's "Elvish" qualities? Anyhow, it comes from his beeing taught by Bilbo and Gandalf, as well as his innate charactertraits.
But I think the "Elvishness" grew only in Frodo on the quest. (I'm thinking of Gandalf's remark at Frodo's bed in Rivendell, about the light shining in him, and Sam who sees that light as well)
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Old 05-06-2004, 06:12 AM   #4
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The like/love of Elves and Elvishness is because they're interested in things outside the mundane everyday, they're open-minded, and strive for the beauty that they know exists elsewhere. After all, they'd liked Evles way before they ever met them: it's a sign basically that they're "bigger" than the rest of their Shire, many of whom are small-minded...such as Sandyman the Elf-hater. Or even the Gaffer, who values "cabbages and potatoes" more ans think they'r ethe "proper" thing" for Hobbits to be interested in. So it's because they like Elves that they make good Ringbearers (after all, it was made by Sauron, so...) but the good souls/personalities/whatefer-you-want-to-say that are them mean they're going ot be attratced to Elvishness.
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Old 05-06-2004, 02:24 PM   #5
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What if it was just coincidence? Yes, Frodo was meant to have the ring, but was he meant to carry it Mt. Doom? Or was it just because he was there and had shown resistance up to that point? Would another hobbit have done as well, or would they have been overcome by the force of the Ring? Would they have put the Ring on, not knowing why, just having a primal urge to do it? How much of Frodo's resistance to the Ring was innate, and how much was because he knew what would happen if he did not resist? He understood the Ring and its evil, yet in the end he still fell to it. Would a different hobbit have been more resistant? If so, why did Frodo end up carrying the Ring? Was it coincidence?
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Old 05-06-2004, 02:40 PM   #6
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I don't think it was coincidence by any means. It was that mysterious force at work in the world of Middle-earth, the same force that nudged Gollum into the fires. The force of Good, Providence, Eru, whatever you want to call it. It wasn't blind luck or mere chance that a hobbit of the Shire came into possession of the One Ring, escaped the Ringwraiths & made it to Rivendell, & not only chose to go to the heart of Mordor but was actually unanimously approved for the task by a council of the Free Peoples of Middle-earth.

Here is some more food for thought:
Might Gandalf have had a 'Divine Premonition' that hobbits would someday play a crucial role in the fate of M-E, thus leading him to become the only member of the Istari to have dealings with them? If so, why was this premonition denied to Saruman, Radaghast, Alatar and Pallando?
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